From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91178138334 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 23:07:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A1EFE086E; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 23:07:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E391EE082F for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 23:07:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.6.88] ([212.159.46.162]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue006 [212.227.15.163]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MBNFh-1fQYY90mI9-00AFjL for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2018 01:07:52 +0200 Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo Council nominee 2018/19 questions To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <1529997071.2250.6.camel@gentoo.org> <1529997169.2250.7.camel@gentoo.org> <1957215.rOuxtULBtx@monkey> From: "M. 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J. Everitt" To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <83c27d95-62e3-8021-a887-9ad7db467d5e@iee.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo Council nominee 2018/19 questions References: <1529997071.2250.6.camel@gentoo.org> <1529997169.2250.7.camel@gentoo.org> <1957215.rOuxtULBtx@monkey> In-Reply-To: <1957215.rOuxtULBtx@monkey> --sHLnFFxoliahDV4j4G8rHfbzQrh0u0EVL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-GB On 27/06/18 00:02, Aaron Bauman wrote: > On Tuesday, June 26, 2018 3:12:49 AM EDT Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: >> W dniu wto, 26.06.2018 o godzinie 09=E2=88=B611=E2=80=89+0200, u=C5=BC= ytkownik Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny >> >> napisa=C5=82: >>> To improve readability of the thread, I'll ask my question in reply t= o >>> myself ;-). >> And I'd like to ask the inevitable question: what do you think should = be >> the roles of Gentoo Council and Trustees appropriately? > The Gentoo Council is responsible for the technical direction of the=20 > distribution. This can be viewed as ambiguous by the term "global" bei= ng used=20 > to define what the council is, but I would offer that this is speaking = to=20 > global issues within the scope of projects and the reorganization that = occured=20 > within GLEP 39. It did not intend to infringe upon the responsibilitie= s nor=20 > role of the Gentoo Foundation. > > The Gentoo Foundation, including the officers and trustees which compri= se it,=20 > are legally and financially responsible to the distribution. As noted = in the=20 > by-laws, the Foundation is held liable from a legal perspective for mat= ters=20 > occuring within the distribution. This is seen not only in the by-laws= within=20 > the rights to indemnifcation, but is driven by American law of incorpor= ated=20 > entities. As such, I find it most important to consider why we ought to= ensure=20 > these responsibilities are delineated appropriately. > > As current officers of the Foundation and council members have expresse= d, it may=20 > be wise to dissolve the foundation as it exists today in the form an=20 > incorporation within the state of New Mexico. This would be done in fa= vor of=20 > something such as SPI (Software in the Public interest) or another=20 > organization willing to legally and financially represent Gentoo as a=20 > distribution. This does not *absolve* the distribution from any curren= t=20 > responsibilities now though. We must organize and communicate our inte= ntion=20 > as a distribution to deal with all legal and financial matters. > > My opinion is to dissolve the Foundation as it exists today in favor of= an=20 > organization that specializes in the types of matters we do not. This = is=20 > *not* targeting any current officers or trustees within the Foundation,= but=20 > factually stating that they do not contain the required credentials or = > expertise to handle such matters. Staffing such positions from a demog= raphic of=20 > computer scientists, programmers, etc is not a wise choice. I want to = clarify=20 > that this is not targeting the aptitude of such individuals to excel gi= ven=20 > time and task constraints were removed.=20 > > Let the experts handle such matters and let us focus on making a specta= cular=20 > distribution. > > -Aaron +1 well put ! :] --sHLnFFxoliahDV4j4G8rHfbzQrh0u0EVL-- --qD9QDP8GcIFxANFiQX7x3CNPk2QGji5qL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEERR5DB4J2baXtk4AVu81GK0wzHTUFAlsyx0UACgkQu81GK0wz HTVhDw/8DsvkMl8gVXvoKnVSXu+Qj8P+CLsTjdAh2twEPlB8yQRuI/it25oFhic6 4HOc99h8X76Ba9XzzJKXuf2j8JDIw0OWHBgGDkrIhaCSIN+nZhAE46TEBPZFsNfK 8fVrfb6qFlyhBxubtx+SSdrKDMJnNt5+ApsucByDJsQoAh8SEQRItpiRXrlfWZcu fSeOkgfC48TSzK+hddtxJtoIyV8ucYzwMxbfjV6IXHqC3X2aFtL5gK7PABWuiZMI r5yqqz86oVI1/jQiEg+bSmUIt+60+DisKuIvXEan3juzfkQGkvwnTFisvoY1Mq4u P9CiYTvNXJOeSE8Ld8F2VwFuZUlfDj4vkufmcX++DT2GXzxxvx/0xZurZJzf3Cbr RCcW2MNkRT2M469MOrVDMBTZTGWBJyWl1liRrJDnQk7zgTMkpeCzSlDFfujp2gRK mYoIA7vUFKyfFRr1EJ3ycPcrARhyUZquqML/V9bA0UkYLBDj1+MYGGVf/zwBTuCc MtYkYA5pWDgTTGUH59IuiaUK2i2HO5gNS/JbZUGf6KnQVvPbU+XUBKnH84eRARkE TphFT94AdSPeNjYts2l55ByxwG6HizN48vXxa2vvsPA4Ux7ws5W3GA8LDI1uxJA2 D9GJkOl68CRsd1tPfmmYyQ96qDbHJK/bszgyn14mJDkt8K9FlDY= =4zEK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qD9QDP8GcIFxANFiQX7x3CNPk2QGji5qL--