From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57B03138334 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2019 21:20:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D427E09B0; Wed, 19 Jun 2019 21:20:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1345EE09AE for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2019 21:20:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thinkpad.fritz.box (unknown [IPv6:2001:4060:c005:3f00:9491:b020:96bd:fae]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: soap) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BC573464FF for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2019 21:20:44 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <816540ba70d26f8eb9858fc8db9fd4b57de1cf27.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] ComRel membership vs politeness on mailing lists From: David Seifert To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 23:20:40 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: <20190616230014.GA29589@orbis-terrarum.net> <52091213f893986fd391adb5c9eade09265aecf9.camel@gentoo.org> <20190618192018.734c61e56cd975667f6d620a@gentoo.org> <9b28f1997ae8a25416edd1df0bf4d1b0b5e42866.camel@gentoo.org> <20190619080331.60503654e2e595d52137e11c@gentoo.org> <28a3dbf8e9b8e6c48107a54d72ed4f5dd09494fb.camel@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.30.5 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: e2bb9504-6302-4ec2-af9b-227e379104de X-Archives-Hash: 25eb80286280e9cda445e02b2bc8dfcc On Wed, 2019-06-19 at 14:06 -0400, Matt Turner wrote: > On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 8:38 AM Michał Górny > wrote: > > On Wed, 2019-06-19 at 08:03 +0300, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > > > On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 20:33:09 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2019-06-18 at 19:20 +0300, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:43:05 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, 2019-06-16 at 23:00 +0000, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > > > > > > > Only active Gentoo developers who are also Foundation > > > > > > > members may be > > > > > > > nominated. [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nominations MUST be made by posting to > > > > > > > gentoo-nfp@lists.gentoo.org, and > > > > > > > the nominated candidate must accept not later than the > > > > > > > end of the > > > > > > > nomination period. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, let's try someone else. I nominate: > > > > > > > > > > > > David Seifert (soap) > > > > > > Mikle Kolyada (zlogene) > > > > > > > > > > You violated the rules: > > > > > Nominations MUST be made by posting to > > > > > gentoo-nfp@lists.gentoo.org > > > > > > > > > > But you sent them to gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org mail > > > > > list. > > > > > Hereby they are not valid. Please perform your duty properly > > > > > and > > > > > send nominations to the aforementioned NFP mail list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You could also have understood it was a honest mistake and be > > > > nice about > > > > it. But I suppose that's too much to expect from a ComRel > > > > member. > > > > > > I politely pointed out your mistake and nicely asked you to fix > > > it. > > > I even used the word "please". I honestly don't see what was not > > > nice about my previous e-mail. Maybe we have a language barrier > > > issue here. > > > > > > My comrel membership has nothing to do with this discussion and > > > I'm participating in it as a common Gentoo developer with my > > > comrel > > > hat off. > > > > > > > Do you really believe that a ComRel member (read: a person whose > > duty > > involves judging other people's behavior) can just take ComRel hat > > off > > and stop caring about providing exemplary behavior? Following that > > logic, I could join ComRel claiming that all the things I've said > > and done were 'with my comrel hat off' (since I don't have any)! > > > > I understand that there might be a language barrier. However, > > since you > > decide to perform a very specific and important role, I'm afraid > > you > > need to learn to use English in a way that's actually polite rather > > than > > using the excuse of a language barrier. > > > > Let me explain. > > > > A neutral (i.e. not really polite but acceptable) way of saying > > that > > would be to say 'you have posted the nominations to the wrong > > list'. > > That's plain and factual. > > > > You said 'you violated the rules' which is an > > accusation. Accusations > > tend to render one as guilty of doing something very > > bad. Accusations > > are not polite. > > > > Furthermore, 'perform your duty properly' is passive > > aggressive. Adding > > 'please' doesn't make it any more polite -- in fact, given just > > before > > a insulting statement it may have the exact opposite effect. > > > > The polite way of saying that would be to strip the first part > > of the sentence and just say 'please send nominations ...' In > > fact, > > as you can see the passive aggressive part is completely > > unnecessary to > > convey the meaning, so what's the purpose of adding it besides > > intentionally offending someone? > > As a native English speaker I agree with Michał's assessment. > so do I.