From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09633138334 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 18:44:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 96D46E08E2; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 18:44:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (woodpecker.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D38EE08D4 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 18:44:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiot (d202-252.icpnet.pl [109.173.202.252]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BF264335C30; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 18:44:34 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <80ed2e482e96c96555bf4fd9331731c4c9ad0d7f.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] call for agenda items -- council meeting 2019-04-14 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_G=C3=B3rny?= To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2019 20:44:30 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20190403174315.32615d3b9574571e3ed4a399@gentoo.org> References: <20190401032055.GA9497@linux1.home> <4bbfc34f-335f-5521-310a-b66ffd0d9a9a@gentoo.org> <5e30d658-80c8-b608-1505-dc08db3625bf@gentoo.org> <20190403174315.32615d3b9574571e3ed4a399@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-nQC0WZ4EcOUrXajxDkR7" User-Agent: Evolution 3.30.5 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Archives-Salt: 149af516-5c08-4a0a-9fe6-bacc4a576f54 X-Archives-Hash: 09dafffbf857265af017672d10f3079b --=-nQC0WZ4EcOUrXajxDkR7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2019-04-03 at 17:43 +0300, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > Why? We have no way to verify that provided names are valid or that > provided ID's are valid. At least in my jurisdiction such > information collected can't be used for legal action or protection > without following established government-assisted verification > procedure. In other jurisdictions similar problems may and will > arise. 'Perfect is the enemy of good'. Claiming that you can't be 100% sure that someone's giving his real name doesn't imply that everyone is using fake names. Or that it makes no sense to use them. > Additional problem is personal data collection, it is > restricted or heavily regulated in many countries. One can't just > demand to show an ID via electronic means without following > complicated data protection procedures which are likely to be > incompatible between jurisdictions. Do you have any proof of that, or are you just basing your comments on the common concept of misunderstanding GDPR and extending it to match your private interest? > So the real name requirement gives us no real protection from > possible cases, but creates real and serious problems by kicking > active developers and contributors from further contributions. > NP-Hardass is not the only one.=20 Do you have any proof of that? As far as I'm concerned, we're pretty clear that NP-Hardass can't contribute to Gentoo, and that his previous contributions shouldn't have been accepted in the first place (and why Trustees agreed to them is another problem). Are you going to take legal and financial responsibility if his employer claims copyright to his contributions? And if you say yes, are you going to really take it or go with the forementioned attitude that we can't legally force you to? > I invited some gifted people with > high quality out-of-tree work to become contributors or developers, > but due to hostile attitude towards anonymous contributors they > can't join. And people want to stay anonymous for good reasons, > because they are engaged with privacy oriented development. This is a very vague statement that sounds like serious overstatement with no proof, aimed purely to force emotional reaction to support your proposal. If you really want to propose something meaningful, I'd really appreciate if you used real evidence to support it rather than vague claims. > We are loosing real people, real contributions and real community. > What for? For solving imaginary problems with inappropriate tools. >=20 Thank you for telling us that copyright is an imaginary problem. --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --=-nQC0WZ4EcOUrXajxDkR7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQKTBAABCgB9FiEEXr8g+Zb7PCLMb8pAur8dX/jIEQoFAlyk/w5fFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDVF QkYyMEY5OTZGQjNDMjJDQzZGQ0E0MEJBQkYxRDVGRjhDODExMEEACgkQur8dX/jI EQon3w//UrbAclbz25t7KIJhI4yqp+VlBD+Wy4DdD80j4oD5yZdZtTwTQfi03MUD NL3AMKhHbRuogG0zme2YTqlC2fVGZc0gzZmmyowQws/nLKpVaTkkdXPL1yHzwgXU xZ8zBhNfuF82+IwpcNFKMiLhtJUJd+4io2ukbHRn+zTdUVm1SEbopJ//4T/duh7D 98deR2w20oZNAxAKIyaOGSXRl3p4CbtJLTqtVj6qzrv4OdZKWGHVze5b5ofzsT/4 urSAR85HOxJowuDIwQIcruP+MA1Kfkc1Co3a4XEB7NyNbqKtAaEaOMgAwhk+mZ97 KGMe481lplYZtStA88ckJR6ZKQsj6aI5r44avEsEu7GVm/XYaOUO+9bcO28MDBnc zspyVnnO7YT0oPpx471aAMonZqrhwDaoBTunC+tKlUd3D+rkJKQLv1Q7zyKazxhk Sa7y2IojUuWRrBp9CImmvxQRJL8b5BtQYZ4rgqLpXwcSak07UGHGgb8HM3G7jqsQ VpI4xLZgzepZ8j2KFJFtn/wOdSDVXfSA08nB+jQMMWAy/edBtTPCNOOaJkU6Qyof 03VY8FWsNloZivh+JYPBJLh2OT4ycp1F/FMoO/ERuhY8pqFklxB8EjRpeAcCWBdL LORhuDjR9dzuhyyCQmmkldLhy7xLMU7vOq0MoTMnzjgdjx1xeZI= =YVTs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-nQC0WZ4EcOUrXajxDkR7--