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J. Everitt" To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <7aff3272-74c2-c5ed-92d8-fb1b4baa1eba@iee.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] William Hubbs council manifesto 2018-2019 References: <20180616202634.GA29371@linux1.home> <1935290.nWKu69nTtg@pinacolada> <20180616232951.GA32738@linux1.home> <20180617014233.GA1567@linux1.home> In-Reply-To: --r0sBnCPrfJtYAxxYMamDLKjALtxxJfjar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-GB On 17/06/18 03:29, Rich Freeman wrote: > Having these positions that are hard to fill but which legally have > all kinds of power is also a source of risk, because it basically > means that almost anybody can end up in one of these positions simply > by running for them unopposed. If it is true that the Trustees can > effectively override the Council today, then what good is it in having > a vigorous debate with 20 people running for 7 council slots, if 3 > random people get elected to the Trustees unopposed (or lightly > opposed) and can just overturn their decisions at will? Shouldn't we > be having the healthy/vigorous competition for the positions that > wield the most power? > My synopsis from the peanut gallery, is that everyone wants the power, with none of the responsibility that conventionally comes with it. Add to this, some developers have some restrictions as to their involvement with certain types of organisation, and you end up with the stupid "two-headed monster" that we see today. --r0sBnCPrfJtYAxxYMamDLKjALtxxJfjar-- --PxgtvSqNqnopbh7UgAgx348PTfDVRulnq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEERR5DB4J2baXtk4AVu81GK0wzHTUFAlslyLAACgkQu81GK0wz HTUKew//WPC26m0MT7yRpki8Uo8/OFyNDv6SkHvzkWhVfsin3Qt7Lv+EyymzZI/m /LKtWbmQVlYtHNP4qnCsUXFsn++6DTG6t/eAor+Cy3u8PQ2UQWYu1r7ESFMA6+2G gnvUPv+vfPq5ETVqk2jPHOaY3esYOX2IwcgarGNzbTYbitDDd9lxsVqY09GV8I/e fJSGsYYW8ETzl9ORvVjGDWHMGNveGY7FxbLgpL8tOEnaiWhHJmll7WdqvXAu3CH3 hYDgjx2qJb0AYQ0CNNmRH+2Cd3PFrqe4UmfRJLnjZHUEmZN9g3N8jI6hX76BJmM3 NzSWKImiXPPyf+ZybGpbSvghcFjLLvnWC1Uoh9xWf3kE1F35XKHeqWgs23UTq55j YoNWDS1Y76IrL5MkiErPWomzOwQK3mPsmZzUXncTCv3t3Y7CgLK/+Q5zOjcaKyWU gS9UcOebzkyjGTxqhv2SbzjyK15PrHwHAHqP5oQuqAGEee+sPrds2qRIVN9sVFCf 5CImA+IiUEbPi8s9GNRN7lA7Fr3opCIXKfamxmx/lsvZxR8+yd1mZl57m/4UbqsZ Ef1Ce0iNLmjjdhctHFGjWCgxG39U5Y0VkT03h7TGr3Lf/BkXfW/Uu5WRoV5UOLrp EI8R/R/jvO1Tqi9Nvc3m881BgeYAdF2mamSVJl56cbm3J65WxyQ= =STgC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PxgtvSqNqnopbh7UgAgx348PTfDVRulnq--