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Sun, 30 Jun 2019 07:11:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: GLEP 76 To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <20190615124220.fcf0c08b22481d5bc6c2dbe0@gentoo.org> <20190615124933.b2f20fde0b47509e6b54f989@gentoo.org> From: Patrick Lauer Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=patrick@gentoo.org; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBFZ21dcBEADQV271GR2CsBDcud4f5gYd0xdQfIsGXzBsHYJ+rHrU/GH/Z1cOHXz88uWP axXao0YInKwCQbebXBebxG1WUJbAirw3tM2cnjs3d/s2ZXguAADCgkmYV3wcqYFJJK5ljPfA QfwE2UWLEbieCWcT6BjOYmlKYCX73rQLXxNsA9WWOfCCvFBduwMz0GvwR7ZZK3WayWonUd7/ ViiJ2iIv2My3FVU9oKTxZu0kdOU2s+NFbE3Kchy1gn1eoEfqLKU+KfQVhqlDLzuEe9aN+oez XqeOhkLPmUjyUXgThCTRwuTf7Y8T0+ADX2g3jPxQXO8gCj8xtSwZRV7XUAKME8pKaEgqZ7vG lag9oN/rfw0VA4ahm+Me9Pc0r86rw4D4DXX6sc6RbASOda0B3b8uhcNcYhS4T7MR2z0cSUB2 uU0E0qn8t5MuRHDuFSshlkHnb7pMd89fNvJM/2KVZRnPGrQUhIOdC3f3LuImxQ4imUvIE2bt PYPWLLFmTRqPWngol1k6WwHW9ZGhbQMCLroHZrpCg0sFDxj8gIZpiRQJx8OD2UNfJL2x8wlG xkzoYKuetdrPa/exxVbOW8UfNIgFHZPpWMr/jNvUvNBwg3CfnH8tEI3Bf+xUzz76pDSYLYyr xdcaYLbGpT6Q+YBVe90jfCtJumQkKnRyd83FE2L/fjtOSWzHOwARAQABtCJQYXRyaWNrIExh dWVyIDxwYXRyaWNrQGdlbnRvby5vcmc+iQJUBBMBCAA+AhsDBQsJCAcDBRUKCQgLBRYDAgEA Ah4BAheAFiEEut9Jj/OKNwjbgMpcprmHORFEFNYFAlxMKu8FCQe2iJgACgkQprmHORFEFNaC bg/+J8V8v4J2oQqmHQlQezraYlX3yI4ODfFEOTCFoW+02gM1q9KQg77Bot9i7NsOTcGCYAld H8lAcs9M7iSa/VFLrAVcRPoqULufWN0g8CksNbNoqr7NYOEdM+jBLKiJMhYJDpepZEKtT1nS 32cnzIiDHAUGbTtgdHPKy3SXVtE5W4yR6HJ2nk5zbJgp7Ue9MY+PCzlCGu5XnabXbEVsWWcm TTS6pXO6ILnu0tI4vQiqoXETNA06LreSW4G2sKImDFhXwvt5ecClZsHE4lo4IxMhRWVeaeq6 ql2pZi1mImx2eTLROzbOFk3JwJJbLyIjV5zMtLqPyOdIIbxfNhr1ecPaQAYctzLU6OW3qRtc RMrvAE5QAX4x5cLsyU7AroshKjP8IotLqqqbQ8gctZahQg7+0E/uFtTYmIAqWXz+P4JIMQNk mAT2t4gsnHmG1uYirpfAueGqTwT/sODCd5GFXbGDWvJuheLe+vlZ2Rgpsp6Ew+1JRLRJGiM6 41aXNubQQwvR8UZTV545TqBFodxjS5xSqwsF0t3RkKbDAjTe7YZAs8/hzdycqiBlfgGszt7v 9oLgFGFqJg+WYGqVduA9D41lUPawiXKYriw3QxDRUc1oa8HGXqqGGA/Mh8VAi5HJUac6jeF+ IRx016LBakpDOCAstNdjUgH1w418VgodPSkQnX25Ag0EVnbb4QEQAMB5ARsnSpsyAUcFx5Tr +x6QIluw+rjbLloUY/s3rORx5HDCMinLBYu/ERskvcwh3utAkHURH4EHntigcIppqWkkp7HX 0bcNgKnpV7I8aX/V4kFI9JQmo+1YunO1XF3/2FzVsdBqQU33mZVw8XSkDVi6z+jxkt6iE/h2 3l1ceB7It8Tuef6zf3XZpEm1xKKEThYCrQ0ePEY2m8fu25/ecFVw3A98z9zViWPg0F42vXCx /VWf6/TXD3TPy4PZdVxhpVu38qPdRyM+uowcIFho761x6yd8vJLOjZs8RskIE6UsluChl7mk rkTjg1CLZW6xrhWzd2cfzU8WsXBrPibyxydpwXdZO9UypQUlPJ+kAmuK8sJ225U9Rl7GLBMK K4JzwT+OUXogGieQ+3qqz8nKcOg+rvjpKr7y6BS1Rr/xwwtZzw+hXv3/Q6KoNJCUW0bTKud5 oE31UOyH6nJiWB+X7i4VM8vpjM+iHu1xv1a9T6Li07zNv/GVcCk55+EQdDnmM2/3rG88Oyd1 KhbsC6PLsL+uLSz8M2iAR83rbJMWyq0gv6YDlSBFGWk3uoBomiw2B+XyfrGI7j5y0BQZAsKw +AJKUQ3qS/jgHDG000C21rGyzbInhuwfv2yPXcEfd3fAm0Ft/tQz84IlqUjIgGU493LtZghW 9FX/sCbUDlM8yAdPABEBAAGJBLsEGAEIACYCGwIWIQS630mP84o3CNuAylymuYc5EUQU1gUC XEwrAQUJB7aCoAKJwb0gBBkBCABmBQJWdtvhXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRp b25zLm9wZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRGRjcxMjBBMzlGQzhBNEQ0QTdDRjQwRDgz Qjc4OTcyOENDMzcxMTU1AAoJEDt4lyjMNxFViHsP/RhhPK08cPHSmce7yhJGGi7LSec6mBSJ KGWSnebVwN7pB0SgoV0891zVK6ZEGzYuURnBfGqU21fkRRwUuthf6d03Hr9LBv5ozMaHXWly 0/Ur2C/E69nN2FL8p+HADu2E1lXqfTyTywxAIBEY3LW/A+6SiLSk1QpSJR9Mljz55SHZv4Gu Sy9wNWiUSw+5lrfOBzEHyG1xYhIuNFZuLQI5s35BLuZ6zSJipXVOd7y86qRW1xPn0EUHZUDf 3vAt4oAf1OvYwtH6HvV3WaOX6GG+Hgryg7T6VuUpWfF/CFe7Kxq7qSOzUJkvKKF2GyDffaSC dS0iFuaKrdGH07IlPzmaVbr8xbdY5RgTFXMh61iNn2doNHK8pCGUWJplVunVAdrTekO2QnnI hHYs6eAtMZ9PFNCosU9Pi38COnYDrF+mnWby63DKsRDIS7Q+b8lfg/CfyR3Nd7hFH2wyHuoD a2DCi4Qa79YE6T/PryyJ/n4seqDrmQGmMJDy/60utzmpZTZwTK7rstAUxQAeRwTUKw4uclXD KCKL6kYtfBRODWqO72flGCatie6bJ31M9kRzl3eTcWIe46bDyOBEoj+a0ZXetKkzlfXAAegS OlExK6zOMen8bVssDpfyRp0dpPZDJKsdglf6gLB/58LQDEfKrf5HTIGQVLzXBNy+7cpqCyjF BzUuCRCmuYc5EUQU1uf/EADCSeUbgQiv/ByZhHmMGoIlmCKtptz92ulITRUvCvtKBiSiD3Wa eMRwU25S7JbSNNgeY1HD3xWnuaRT+sRXOW5WNup6mfpSMGpIeUlH5413vxTTpQFZJrHf6Rm4 8uIi3MScWU5VvAcjwmhSeIo18qYp23U+6vmQrL4OwVXX8gBcxOfyDB+mnCzUEcqBeUmpFa89 yEBxcmexEvR5qv7feIxhSwpFX4msaqaQ7Zyv4vuSmn6mGEgRLjXJqncAVNXqD2W2BXUYUtgJ OyTET9QHRijf9ZLFVpLCFXoCt22tSdEit0qPQ0DkGHC8Z7kvQpHc/ttZUkgs5SndXwbroxN0 0q1thAP4u2ONuYN8BqhcNy/QaypD1Msl7uO85uSd7dA1V6iKnJrdZH/4XOhkRQ1eRLYEz3Dl YtWqx/Nyj1vxb0GTm0C/KM0JQYPZkrC8Q96GIaN/8vPd1O0urtcyyGcMYs3rav+ssDHZA7AN fZtB2Si8gIR9spW/zhNgcgISyE8IXZB1t1Lu+oSSkvVSDfFIeAqxLQ16OcGhGaJtcVlq+H90 wvbXA3EhTzOCz4FR+X906JeR5p6xRfyf64z65R1C85+1Nz2EYKnc6FrpZ9UK35CTW1xvZN9n KmzwOqMg9oNhRMmblL5johra+Y4c1URAF+9DzNsoBrJdZ7VxyOqYHHKWYw== Message-ID: <79783d8a-105e-7583-f319-f3c89a84eccc@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 09:11:53 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190615124933.b2f20fde0b47509e6b54f989@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 3aa37127-9870-4029-bace-e786af071fb9 X-Archives-Hash: 307776dcc0053a13aa7df892b44705be On 6/15/19 11:49 AM, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 12:42:20 +0300 Andrew Savchenko wrote: >> Hi all! >> >> Last year we had a good initiative: it addition to (or even instead >> of) manifests nominees were asked questions by voters. So let's >> continue this year. >> >> I propose to have one question per thread spawned by this e-mail to >> keep discussion focused. If you have multiple questions, please >> start multiple threads. If your question was already asked, please >> join a thread. >> >> I'll ask my questions in subsequent e-mails. > > In my opinion GLEP 76 is the most controversial decision made by > running council. While it fixed some long standing issues like > copyright headers and proper acknowledgement of out of the tree > contributors, it created grave problems: now some long-time > contributors and even developer are seriously discriminated because > they want to keep their privacy. > > What is your opinion on this problem? I think everyone involved in the discussion meant well, but different cultural starting points (e.g. different ideas about what copyright means), trying to find a compromise, not being experienced with legal language/concepts (or even legal concepts not translating well between languages) etc.etc. conspired to make this a very weirdly shaped thing that imo doesn't do what people think it does. I mostly ignored the discussion because it was a too high volume of email on a topic where I don't see a strong need to act, in hindsight that was naive optimism on my side. > Should GLEP 76 be left as is? No,it should be improved. E.g. having signed commits, and adding signed-off-by, is ... weird. It also leads to semantic satiation, where every commit has signed-off-by, every commit, signed-off-by, signed-off-by ... And since it's autogenerated it doesn't really mean anything. It would make more sense to add it *only* to commits from not-gentoo-devs, since all the other commits are already signed by authenticated users. > Should GLEP 76 be cancelled? > Should GLEP 76 be improved and how? See above :)