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Sun, 30 Jun 2019 07:26:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Power balance To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <20190615124220.fcf0c08b22481d5bc6c2dbe0@gentoo.org> <20190615130033.68b4d85861a54fb0824583a9@gentoo.org> From: Patrick Lauer Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=patrick@gentoo.org; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBFZ21dcBEADQV271GR2CsBDcud4f5gYd0xdQfIsGXzBsHYJ+rHrU/GH/Z1cOHXz88uWP axXao0YInKwCQbebXBebxG1WUJbAirw3tM2cnjs3d/s2ZXguAADCgkmYV3wcqYFJJK5ljPfA QfwE2UWLEbieCWcT6BjOYmlKYCX73rQLXxNsA9WWOfCCvFBduwMz0GvwR7ZZK3WayWonUd7/ ViiJ2iIv2My3FVU9oKTxZu0kdOU2s+NFbE3Kchy1gn1eoEfqLKU+KfQVhqlDLzuEe9aN+oez XqeOhkLPmUjyUXgThCTRwuTf7Y8T0+ADX2g3jPxQXO8gCj8xtSwZRV7XUAKME8pKaEgqZ7vG lag9oN/rfw0VA4ahm+Me9Pc0r86rw4D4DXX6sc6RbASOda0B3b8uhcNcYhS4T7MR2z0cSUB2 uU0E0qn8t5MuRHDuFSshlkHnb7pMd89fNvJM/2KVZRnPGrQUhIOdC3f3LuImxQ4imUvIE2bt PYPWLLFmTRqPWngol1k6WwHW9ZGhbQMCLroHZrpCg0sFDxj8gIZpiRQJx8OD2UNfJL2x8wlG xkzoYKuetdrPa/exxVbOW8UfNIgFHZPpWMr/jNvUvNBwg3CfnH8tEI3Bf+xUzz76pDSYLYyr xdcaYLbGpT6Q+YBVe90jfCtJumQkKnRyd83FE2L/fjtOSWzHOwARAQABtCJQYXRyaWNrIExh dWVyIDxwYXRyaWNrQGdlbnRvby5vcmc+iQJUBBMBCAA+AhsDBQsJCAcDBRUKCQgLBRYDAgEA Ah4BAheAFiEEut9Jj/OKNwjbgMpcprmHORFEFNYFAlxMKu8FCQe2iJgACgkQprmHORFEFNaC bg/+J8V8v4J2oQqmHQlQezraYlX3yI4ODfFEOTCFoW+02gM1q9KQg77Bot9i7NsOTcGCYAld H8lAcs9M7iSa/VFLrAVcRPoqULufWN0g8CksNbNoqr7NYOEdM+jBLKiJMhYJDpepZEKtT1nS 32cnzIiDHAUGbTtgdHPKy3SXVtE5W4yR6HJ2nk5zbJgp7Ue9MY+PCzlCGu5XnabXbEVsWWcm TTS6pXO6ILnu0tI4vQiqoXETNA06LreSW4G2sKImDFhXwvt5ecClZsHE4lo4IxMhRWVeaeq6 ql2pZi1mImx2eTLROzbOFk3JwJJbLyIjV5zMtLqPyOdIIbxfNhr1ecPaQAYctzLU6OW3qRtc RMrvAE5QAX4x5cLsyU7AroshKjP8IotLqqqbQ8gctZahQg7+0E/uFtTYmIAqWXz+P4JIMQNk mAT2t4gsnHmG1uYirpfAueGqTwT/sODCd5GFXbGDWvJuheLe+vlZ2Rgpsp6Ew+1JRLRJGiM6 41aXNubQQwvR8UZTV545TqBFodxjS5xSqwsF0t3RkKbDAjTe7YZAs8/hzdycqiBlfgGszt7v 9oLgFGFqJg+WYGqVduA9D41lUPawiXKYriw3QxDRUc1oa8HGXqqGGA/Mh8VAi5HJUac6jeF+ IRx016LBakpDOCAstNdjUgH1w418VgodPSkQnX25Ag0EVnbb4QEQAMB5ARsnSpsyAUcFx5Tr +x6QIluw+rjbLloUY/s3rORx5HDCMinLBYu/ERskvcwh3utAkHURH4EHntigcIppqWkkp7HX 0bcNgKnpV7I8aX/V4kFI9JQmo+1YunO1XF3/2FzVsdBqQU33mZVw8XSkDVi6z+jxkt6iE/h2 3l1ceB7It8Tuef6zf3XZpEm1xKKEThYCrQ0ePEY2m8fu25/ecFVw3A98z9zViWPg0F42vXCx /VWf6/TXD3TPy4PZdVxhpVu38qPdRyM+uowcIFho761x6yd8vJLOjZs8RskIE6UsluChl7mk rkTjg1CLZW6xrhWzd2cfzU8WsXBrPibyxydpwXdZO9UypQUlPJ+kAmuK8sJ225U9Rl7GLBMK K4JzwT+OUXogGieQ+3qqz8nKcOg+rvjpKr7y6BS1Rr/xwwtZzw+hXv3/Q6KoNJCUW0bTKud5 oE31UOyH6nJiWB+X7i4VM8vpjM+iHu1xv1a9T6Li07zNv/GVcCk55+EQdDnmM2/3rG88Oyd1 KhbsC6PLsL+uLSz8M2iAR83rbJMWyq0gv6YDlSBFGWk3uoBomiw2B+XyfrGI7j5y0BQZAsKw +AJKUQ3qS/jgHDG000C21rGyzbInhuwfv2yPXcEfd3fAm0Ft/tQz84IlqUjIgGU493LtZghW 9FX/sCbUDlM8yAdPABEBAAGJBLsEGAEIACYCGwIWIQS630mP84o3CNuAylymuYc5EUQU1gUC XEwrAQUJB7aCoAKJwb0gBBkBCABmBQJWdtvhXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRp b25zLm9wZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRGRjcxMjBBMzlGQzhBNEQ0QTdDRjQwRDgz Qjc4OTcyOENDMzcxMTU1AAoJEDt4lyjMNxFViHsP/RhhPK08cPHSmce7yhJGGi7LSec6mBSJ KGWSnebVwN7pB0SgoV0891zVK6ZEGzYuURnBfGqU21fkRRwUuthf6d03Hr9LBv5ozMaHXWly 0/Ur2C/E69nN2FL8p+HADu2E1lXqfTyTywxAIBEY3LW/A+6SiLSk1QpSJR9Mljz55SHZv4Gu Sy9wNWiUSw+5lrfOBzEHyG1xYhIuNFZuLQI5s35BLuZ6zSJipXVOd7y86qRW1xPn0EUHZUDf 3vAt4oAf1OvYwtH6HvV3WaOX6GG+Hgryg7T6VuUpWfF/CFe7Kxq7qSOzUJkvKKF2GyDffaSC dS0iFuaKrdGH07IlPzmaVbr8xbdY5RgTFXMh61iNn2doNHK8pCGUWJplVunVAdrTekO2QnnI hHYs6eAtMZ9PFNCosU9Pi38COnYDrF+mnWby63DKsRDIS7Q+b8lfg/CfyR3Nd7hFH2wyHuoD a2DCi4Qa79YE6T/PryyJ/n4seqDrmQGmMJDy/60utzmpZTZwTK7rstAUxQAeRwTUKw4uclXD KCKL6kYtfBRODWqO72flGCatie6bJ31M9kRzl3eTcWIe46bDyOBEoj+a0ZXetKkzlfXAAegS OlExK6zOMen8bVssDpfyRp0dpPZDJKsdglf6gLB/58LQDEfKrf5HTIGQVLzXBNy+7cpqCyjF BzUuCRCmuYc5EUQU1uf/EADCSeUbgQiv/ByZhHmMGoIlmCKtptz92ulITRUvCvtKBiSiD3Wa eMRwU25S7JbSNNgeY1HD3xWnuaRT+sRXOW5WNup6mfpSMGpIeUlH5413vxTTpQFZJrHf6Rm4 8uIi3MScWU5VvAcjwmhSeIo18qYp23U+6vmQrL4OwVXX8gBcxOfyDB+mnCzUEcqBeUmpFa89 yEBxcmexEvR5qv7feIxhSwpFX4msaqaQ7Zyv4vuSmn6mGEgRLjXJqncAVNXqD2W2BXUYUtgJ OyTET9QHRijf9ZLFVpLCFXoCt22tSdEit0qPQ0DkGHC8Z7kvQpHc/ttZUkgs5SndXwbroxN0 0q1thAP4u2ONuYN8BqhcNy/QaypD1Msl7uO85uSd7dA1V6iKnJrdZH/4XOhkRQ1eRLYEz3Dl YtWqx/Nyj1vxb0GTm0C/KM0JQYPZkrC8Q96GIaN/8vPd1O0urtcyyGcMYs3rav+ssDHZA7AN fZtB2Si8gIR9spW/zhNgcgISyE8IXZB1t1Lu+oSSkvVSDfFIeAqxLQ16OcGhGaJtcVlq+H90 wvbXA3EhTzOCz4FR+X906JeR5p6xRfyf64z65R1C85+1Nz2EYKnc6FrpZ9UK35CTW1xvZN9n KmzwOqMg9oNhRMmblL5johra+Y4c1URAF+9DzNsoBrJdZ7VxyOqYHHKWYw== Message-ID: <779af874-f656-766e-e938-1fd7e0878c98@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 09:26:29 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190615130033.68b4d85861a54fb0824583a9@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 83ba8f86-3df2-4d09-992e-18852eb79a7c X-Archives-Hash: 48b5c8ee51e761456481c7bb71e49f7c On 6/15/19 12:00 PM, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 12:42:20 +0300 Andrew Savchenko wrote: >> Hi all! >> >> Last year we had a good initiative: it addition to (or even instead >> of) manifests nominees were asked questions by voters. So let's >> continue this year. >> >> I propose to have one question per thread spawned by this e-mail to >> keep discussion focused. If you have multiple questions, please >> start multiple threads. If your question was already asked, please >> join a thread. >> >> I'll ask my questions in subsequent e-mails. > > Gentoo power balance was carefully crafted over the years. However > during last year that balance was disrupted: > Over the years there were lots of changes. The recent changes are not /that/ unusual, so I don't see it as a disruption of the balance more than previous changes. > 1. The same person can now be in the Gentoo Council and the Trustees > board. I don't directly see that as a problem. But both Council and Trustees seem to have a lack of members with enough time already, so not having time in two places sounds inconvenient > 2. QA can now bypass Comrel on bans. Every decision involving QA and ComRel upsets someone. The goal of these rules is to contain and isolate bad actors, now we have ... infra, qa, comrel at least, able to act. I'm not sure if delegating capabilities to that many groups make sense, but there are good arguments why any of them should be able to act. > What is your opinion on this? > Should this balance be left as is? > If it should be tuned, then how? > > I'm worried about that some people or teams may gain too much power > and misuse it. > Those with more free time already have a disproportional effect, should we limit their acceptable amount of contributions? If you're worried about people pushing things the wrong way the only way I see to fix it is to recruit allies (e.g. recruit new devs who have ideas similar to yours, or motivate existing devs to work on a problem) and spend time on bending things more towards your ideals.