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From: Patrick Lauer <patrick@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Power balance
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 09:26:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <779af874-f656-766e-e938-1fd7e0878c98@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190615130033.68b4d85861a54fb0824583a9@gentoo.org>

On 6/15/19 12:00 PM, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 12:42:20 +0300 Andrew Savchenko wrote:
>> Hi all!
>>
>> Last year we had a good initiative: it addition to (or even instead
>> of) manifests nominees were asked questions by voters. So let's
>> continue this year.
>>
>> I propose to have one question per thread spawned by this e-mail to
>> keep discussion focused. If you have multiple questions, please
>> start multiple threads. If your question was already asked, please
>> join a thread.
>>
>> I'll ask my questions in subsequent e-mails.
> 
> Gentoo power balance was carefully crafted over the years. However
> during last year that balance was disrupted:
> 
Over the years there were lots of changes. The recent changes are not
/that/ unusual, so I don't see it as a disruption of the balance more
than previous changes.

> 1. The same person can now be in the Gentoo Council and the Trustees
> board.
I don't directly see that as a problem. But both Council and Trustees
seem to have a lack of members with enough time already, so not having
time in two places sounds inconvenient

> 2. QA can now bypass Comrel on bans.
Every decision involving QA and ComRel upsets someone.
The goal of these rules is to contain and isolate bad actors, now we
have ... infra, qa, comrel at least, able to act. I'm not sure if
delegating capabilities to that many groups make sense, but there are
good arguments why any of them should be able to act.

> What is your opinion on this?
> Should this balance be left as is?
> If it should be tuned, then how?
> 
> I'm worried about that some people or teams may gain too much power
> and misuse it.
> 
Those with more free time already have a disproportional effect, should
we limit their acceptable amount of contributions?

If you're worried about people pushing things the wrong way the only way
I see to fix it is to recruit allies (e.g. recruit new devs who have
ideas similar to yours, or motivate existing devs to work on a problem)
and spend time on bending things more towards your ideals.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-06-30  7:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-15  9:42 [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees Andrew Savchenko
2019-06-15  9:49 ` [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: GLEP 76 Andrew Savchenko
2019-06-15 10:20   ` Ulrich Mueller
2019-06-15 16:17   ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-06-16 22:01   ` Thomas Deutschmann
2019-06-18 14:12   ` William Hubbs
2019-06-18 15:43     ` Luca Barbato
2019-06-18 15:47       ` William Hubbs
2019-06-24 22:18   ` Andrew Savchenko
2019-06-25  6:15     ` Michał Górny
2019-06-28 11:49       ` Andrew Savchenko
2019-06-28 12:09         ` Rich Freeman
2019-06-28 17:51           ` Andrew Savchenko
2019-06-30  4:48           ` desultory
2019-06-30 18:53             ` Rich Freeman
2019-07-01  5:02               ` desultory
2019-07-01 11:59                 ` Rich Freeman
2019-07-02  4:24                   ` desultory
2019-07-02 11:57                     ` Rich Freeman
2019-07-03  4:31                       ` desultory
2019-07-03 11:13                         ` Rich Freeman
2019-07-04  4:32                           ` desultory
2019-06-30  7:11   ` Patrick Lauer
2019-06-30  7:42     ` Michał Górny
2019-06-30  8:03       ` Patrick Lauer
2019-06-30 22:27         ` Robin H. Johnson
2019-07-01  1:31           ` Thomas Deutschmann
2019-06-15 10:00 ` [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Power balance Andrew Savchenko
2019-06-15 10:34   ` Ulrich Mueller
2019-06-15 21:25   ` Andreas K. Huettel
2019-06-16  7:31   ` Mikle Kolyada
2019-06-16 15:56   ` Roy Bamford
2019-06-16 22:18   ` Thomas Deutschmann
2019-06-17  1:38   ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-06-18 14:41   ` William Hubbs
2019-06-30  7:26   ` Patrick Lauer [this message]
2019-06-15 10:24 ` [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Bringing new people Andrew Savchenko
2019-06-15 16:24   ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-06-15 21:23   ` Andreas K. Huettel
2019-06-16 18:51   ` Mikle Kolyada
2019-06-16 22:21   ` Thomas Deutschmann
2019-06-19  2:39   ` William Hubbs
2019-06-16 18:09 ` [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Gentoo as hobbyist distro Michał Górny
2019-06-16 19:13   ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-06-16 22:39   ` Thomas Deutschmann
2019-06-19  6:24   ` Mikle Kolyada
2019-06-19 15:45     ` William Hubbs
2019-06-21 14:55       ` Mikle Kolyada
2019-06-19 14:32   ` William Hubbs
2019-06-20 14:48   ` Andreas K. Huettel
2019-06-21 13:21 ` [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: your achievements Michał Górny
2019-06-21 20:46   ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-06-21 22:59   ` Georgy Yakovlev
2019-06-22  6:44   ` Ulrich Mueller
2019-06-22  7:06     ` Michał Górny
2019-06-22 22:57   ` Mikle Kolyada
2019-06-24 11:05     ` Mart Raudsepp
2019-06-24 11:25 ` [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: traits of a good Council member Michał Górny
2019-06-24 23:23 ` [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Gentoo Foundation Robin H. Johnson
2019-06-26 19:45   ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-06-26 21:54     ` Matthew Thode
2019-06-26 22:03       ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-06-26 22:06         ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-06-26 22:13           ` Matthew Thode
2019-06-26 22:28             ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-06-30 19:21             ` Andreas K. Huettel
2019-06-26 22:08         ` Matthew Thode
2019-06-26 22:15         ` Michael Everitt
2019-06-26 22:22           ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-06-28 23:49           ` Andreas K. Huettel
     [not found]             ` <20190630215422.GA22747@bubba.lan>
2019-06-30 21:55               ` Aaron Bauman
2019-07-01  7:50                 ` Michał Górny
2019-07-01  9:31                   ` Roy Bamford
2019-07-01  9:52                     ` Michał Górny
2019-07-01 10:02                       ` Michael Everitt
2019-07-01 10:04                         ` Michael Everitt
2019-07-01 19:42                         ` Andreas K. Huettel
2019-07-01 19:44                           ` Andreas K. Huettel
2019-07-01 20:10                             ` Alec Warner
2019-07-01 21:14                               ` Roy Bamford
2019-07-02 12:40                                 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-07-01 11:26                       ` Roy Bamford
2019-07-01 12:07                         ` Rich Freeman
2019-07-01 19:34                         ` Andreas K. Huettel
2019-07-03  4:42                           ` desultory
2019-07-03  6:12                           ` [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Gentoo Foundation - Treasurer Response! Robin H. Johnson
2019-07-03  9:51                             ` Michael Everitt
2019-07-03 10:47                             ` Rich Freeman
2019-07-03 11:05                               ` Michael Everitt
2019-07-03 11:22                                 ` Rich Freeman
2019-07-03 11:27                               ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-07-03 12:27                                 ` Rich Freeman
2019-07-03 13:45                                   ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-07-03 12:56                             ` [gentoo-nfp] " Michał Górny
2019-07-03 13:08                               ` Rich Freeman
2019-07-03 13:17                                 ` Michał Górny
     [not found]                                 ` <20190703143429.yfieiru7cyykr5ca@gentoo.org>
     [not found]                                   ` <6b84c0a026551472a05e776921182ba8dae6fb1e.camel@gentoo.org>
     [not found]                                     ` <138757e484f751d567fb2702ce27de3e3e215a15.camel@gentoo.org>
2019-07-04  2:05                                       ` [gentoo-nfp] Re: [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Gentoo Foundation - Treasurer Response! (part 2) Robin H. Johnson
2019-06-30 10:36 ` [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees Roy Bamford
2019-06-30 16:48   ` Thomas Deutschmann
2019-06-30 20:17   ` Andreas K. Huettel
2019-07-04  2:14 ` [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Council demands on maintainers & council legal liability Robin H. Johnson
2019-07-04  6:26   ` Michał Górny
2019-07-04  8:03   ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-07-04 20:33     ` Alec Warner
2019-07-04 23:46       ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-07-06  2:54         ` desultory
2019-07-04 13:36   ` Thomas Deutschmann
2019-07-04 16:37     ` Ulrich Mueller
2019-07-04 18:49       ` Thomas Deutschmann
2019-07-04 19:22         ` Ulrich Mueller

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