From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 848C5139085 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:01:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6575EE0E29; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from avasout03.plus.net (avasout03.plus.net [84.93.230.244]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 101ADE0E26 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:01:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.6.147] ([209.93.173.178]) by avasout03 with smtp id d61g1u0023rJG9t0161hCa; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:01:41 +0000 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=Xen59Mx5 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=4zaNbBhX470b0gJZ7X1HNg==:117 a=4zaNbBhX470b0gJZ7X1HNg==:17 a=13zjGPudsaEWiJwPRgMA:9 a=WbPmnYzAfxEA:10 a=7mOBRU54AAAA:8 a=jNwSjR2NsNRVCFBsMksA:9 a=JaKl7mMGSJ2OmT8k:21 a=XGdEB499oHvzgjoO:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=U1DQ2g3WdvUA:10 a=Sn6XHjTRrVYA:10 a=xsL7VurEi_y8bobCbi8A:9 a=ONNS8QRKHyMA:10 a=wa9RWnbW_A1YIeRBVszw:22 Subject: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-nfp] Extending Social Contract to guarantee that Gentoo will remain volunteer work To: gentoo-nfp@lists.gentoo.org, gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: From: "M. J. Everitt" Openpgp: id=BA266E0525CFAB101523351B4C30334F93C22371 Message-ID: <73b845d2-6758-db16-79d7-e6e5c2f462cc@iee.org> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 17:59:52 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kL7B6iGBDqT2Gcuu40Rth3Sdi0ElbCHnE" X-Archives-Salt: 3fb905f6-4ea9-40b0-a6bd-1da7fe2ef5f3 X-Archives-Hash: 1193913e6ce247b9c3fbc7fe80597ee2 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --kL7B6iGBDqT2Gcuu40Rth3Sdi0ElbCHnE Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="nQcpqpdW4fmB9dQcwRxjRvFf8ntENHaj7" From: "M. J. Everitt" To: gentoo-nfp@lists.gentoo.org, gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <73b845d2-6758-db16-79d7-e6e5c2f462cc@iee.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-nfp] Extending Social Contract to guarantee that Gentoo will remain volunteer work References: In-Reply-To: --nQcpqpdW4fmB9dQcwRxjRvFf8ntENHaj7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 26/01/17 15:46, Roy Bamford wrote: > On 2017.01.26 15:03, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: >> [discussion intended at -nfp, CC-ing -project] >> >> Hi, >> >> I would like to add an additional clause to the Gentoo Social Contract= >> [1], to guarantee that Gentoo will remain a volunteer-based project >> and will not turn into some kind of paid enterprise. The suggested >> text >> would be: >> >> | Gentoo is and will remain independent volunteer work. We will never >> | pay anyone to develop Gentoo, nor will we accept any donations given= >> | on the condition of any particular development. >> >> Text improvements welcome. >> > [snip] >> [1]:https://www.gentoo.org/get-started/philosophy/social-contract.html= >> >> --=20 >> Best regards, >> Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny >> >> > Micha=C5=82, > > In general, I don't have a problem with this but it needs some fine tun= ing > to permit 'bug bounties' and the like where there is a well defined sco= pe=20 > of work which is good value for Gentoo to pay for for the end result. > > The Foundation has paid a bug bounty once that I an aware of. > The discussion and vote is in the trustees meetings logs. > > What about non technical work? > We may actually need to pay for legal and or financial advice and=20 > the like, where we cannot find pro bono support. > > If the intent was to rule out paid employees doing what they want and=20 > pushing Gentoo wherever they wanted it to go, its not going to happen=20 > any time soon. Gentoo cannot afford even a single full time employee. > Then there are all the admin overheads associated with employee(s). > In any case, paid employees are assigned work. That would be no=20 > different in Gentoo. Then maybe we would need paid managers too. > Whilst I support Roy's comments above, I do feel that actively Preventing Gentoo from hiring people should a need be identified and supported and carried by council/trustees/board/ is a bad idea. Of course, the premise is that there is an identified need, and the body to authorise such expenditure approves and/or can justify it (being the "democratically" elected body). I don't suspect, resource permitting, there is *any* desire from *anyone* with relevant access to funds, to unilaterally "hire" people for the sake of it. We seem to be badly obsessed with this principle that the devs (read "community") do not have the same aims and objectives as the "council" or the "trustees" and they all have their own motives and means. I strongly believe that *IF* there are any members or contributors, mindful of the Dev quiz questions and answers, who /don't/ believe and strive for the key aims of a "Gentoo Mission Statement" should not be either influencing or contributing significantly to the Gentoo name or cause. We are here to build a linux distribution not to "Rule the Roost", "Inflate our Ego" or "Furnish our Resume/CV/etc" "file taxes" "carry out specific work for the benefit of any individual/organisation/institution" etc, etc etc. Let's actually get behind the same, common aim and get on with the work of building and maintaining a linux distro and quit the bikeshed about who is pulling the ropes this way or that. It's not a tug of war, a competition or other sporting event. --nQcpqpdW4fmB9dQcwRxjRvFf8ntENHaj7-- --kL7B6iGBDqT2Gcuu40Rth3Sdi0ElbCHnE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJYijmEAAoJEN7KWvRhIveDbHkP/A+eZr3XbGf+fhuEK9Z60GNg srn1xAgjYZ3pkDF9wjluR+6tUg9jUtboI8LMYRU6riNiRRctm+nNUMIlT+oBUMhU amHJ2i18tch3OkDPfQxH9OUfV627YfY62ogh+mFw6DTkneLC3BE7uXwOyXi9o7qb 5Qd2UnMBH0VKphTL53JHtKOoxmnna9vIw0yV+xFEFx5g9dRSpZH0H09APOlfUL5/ Tvxe15D7cSC8yUpBFUbitxkPjdHhJvRvayha3AeZDZk9k/BGDVW3OmVDYPUzXEFx EiZfvPhgMbqr3fAWHxz0iTkDQsgNLjSQebw90ffDTa7H3GVLDv9kkpCXmbeb5pQO 1UgFdX0RhrOzrfflssmVY0fsDGNhpkx2GUwk+LKm288JyxgEeeHfJo4i2ezn1f10 BzUL/eMa5gXn2sjIoHQ7rW94CStxkT+tjiKnxdaV2YYARPM/QSSJYYO8WZK0z4fy +S+wPhtoZhKcrb3bJh6Q2v43MLJHUZOJ8LrdkoZ0ph10S3//u5qgW6pzjfwF5t3a xNek1tKaJrmN8aZXeQJKTQ3D14kqCGEg/L9yy66QkxDKCgtEVp9GP81qp9+zj2Ax KCv8TEs50QzgFgNnRU6oA+mRNZi8toLSYFJuO+5PREDNSNCllHHltvQiX0vM6HtP o6kbhWyQ81CvcbD1uFVD =MX8s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --kL7B6iGBDqT2Gcuu40Rth3Sdi0ElbCHnE--