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([2601:602:9c00:cf41:a15c:1ca:cdf1:57a3]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id b129sm14880315pfg.36.2016.10.07.08.26.30 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 07 Oct 2016 08:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Trying to become a Gentoo Developer again spanning 8 years... To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <832d6b86-ee0e-4509-7f74-1e19fd4e4db9@gentoo.org> <46323553-e9c0-8d52-3c2a-a75b0245c7ce@gentoo.org> <1475842976.4388.0@smtp.gmail.com> <1475849132.4388.1@smtp.gmail.com> <1475850760.11751.0@smtp.gmail.com> <8691ba20-6f93-61e8-b0e4-82496db31eed@gentoo.org> From: Nick Vinson Message-ID: <71d91be7-b2e8-d7c0-9957-ace37a5103f5@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 08:26:30 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7Uhn0VWUMaDlRlsS3DePX1dHeBRhURWrD" X-Archives-Salt: 7592c22d-aa9e-46c1-98f9-2830b051e5cb X-Archives-Hash: 287f1b3c9a5df437a06fdf7da444eabb This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --7Uhn0VWUMaDlRlsS3DePX1dHeBRhURWrD Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="mxsblRoHDvJUhsh6b7ikrqQhnEDKQIRsK" From: Nick Vinson To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <71d91be7-b2e8-d7c0-9957-ace37a5103f5@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Trying to become a Gentoo Developer again spanning 8 years... References: <832d6b86-ee0e-4509-7f74-1e19fd4e4db9@gentoo.org> <46323553-e9c0-8d52-3c2a-a75b0245c7ce@gentoo.org> <1475842976.4388.0@smtp.gmail.com> <1475849132.4388.1@smtp.gmail.com> <1475850760.11751.0@smtp.gmail.com> <8691ba20-6f93-61e8-b0e4-82496db31eed@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: --mxsblRoHDvJUhsh6b7ikrqQhnEDKQIRsK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 10/07/2016 08:15 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > On 10/07/2016 05:07 PM, Nick Vinson wrote: >> >> >> On 10/07/2016 08:00 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: >>> On 10/07/2016 04:54 PM, Nick Vinson wrote: >>>> If the developer is really a problem, >>>> then ComRel will be given repeated chances to deal with the develope= r >>>> and eventually (well hopefully not eventually) the "due process" wil= l be >>>> done correctly and the developer will be removed. >>> >>> Not necessarily, bringing back might on its own open up for especiall= y >>> PR issues, but also potentially legal ones. So its not as simple as >> s >> Maybe, but I'd happily accept any bad PR that resulted in me choosing >> not to punish a dev because it was unclear that the dev deserved it. >> >=20 > At that point it becomes a bit murky. if bringing in a dev again it'd > require monitoring by comrel at the very least to avoid issues (what if= > the dev has a grudge and commits a "fix" that is malicious in nature et= c?). >=20 > One alternative is to consider it a pure utility-function / cost-benefi= t > consideration at that point where U(f(),g(),h()) where f() is determine= d > by the value of the commits/support of the developer while being a dev,= > and g() the cost of maintenance burden, and h() is event risk to overal= l > community or negativity due to pushback from other existing and > potential devs wanting the one in question gone, so it can reduce > long-term recruitment due to the negative PR etc. >=20 Certainly, you could do that. However, I would ask for objective measures for U(), f(), g(), and h() which wouldn't be an easy task. >=20 --mxsblRoHDvJUhsh6b7ikrqQhnEDKQIRsK-- --7Uhn0VWUMaDlRlsS3DePX1dHeBRhURWrD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJX976mAAoJEAQpRPZaa5gqUkcP/i1/UsN1poNnfCpBriqmGz6E jz6gGVMdKE2eVKqFkMYtT5JcrBdYF9B9k7g1/l0078wIIHAbWWYk8xg0Pjhnw7Sa /ele6el7YQqNap0bND+q+KOp5vWdCcdY0KkeYVDl/En25lCwMh59glRERPFg2MwF z/gW5gLJBGi1Z0bafT3mymk3Q+I2hxy6bfgu1qwaNp4yVmb5V/BmGiBmLYpYrHBm 4t3y0bhY2g+JOBPyx7j2hCnzuNiZZ9pna/HVp/T7QXUpm05BzIUUz8LBO3OgNAuj VcRF9/dViqtT/SfE4qq2AT8tmqmnAbn57M6uz4ADSjH0QjVGKUmDaS0VcxWitxKq VGr0Cw19vAOgNH6MymicU7iPuZY7sISDKx5CW2KuwmUFQenpVLi9pzkJoEG3gdSs tFRdm2stvQlEnjAzjEpzP/Ph8T2+LAyKWXLvjMJw56QPUbDm46eRCeats3XIT5LQ VDCFR3mXqy+N/XQavRoryk0LzsJ8fl3o+KgCC02LhxSYorxqAwt958avwhefLZTI Bz/iX+rQwjUTXuzszisVmMo80Be4GBjmOSurtZs9pfuFYC1eGjn9aG9WBstPeQIX aM95GsMke/Oux2n60t8qSRcteON4IAnAMVMjuNka1lg7LXcp6713ZTT1cXW8XDYn 8rEIA6mk7ePjMaEzM3Xz =znOl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7Uhn0VWUMaDlRlsS3DePX1dHeBRhURWrD--