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References: <23310.46809.293787.611345@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <23317.12829.91552.529904@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20180625013334.GA28404@kroah.com> <23344.37042.753481.563752@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> In-Reply-To: <23344.37042.753481.563752@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> --dheJ6qoi5mNBBjioMpR9zU4CqfET4AXtf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 25/06/2018 08:50, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > Has there ever been a wider review of the Linux DCO? If not, then it > is not surprising if it fits the needs of kernel development only > (which is very homogeneous, license wise), but not necessarily other > projects. +1 It's been very convincing for me as a software engineer to use DCO everywhere. However, I can also see the opposing argument, that the situation of many companies and project is very different from Linux Foundation's, especially from legal point of view. Even though I might not personally be fully convinced, I certainly accept that specialists (lawyers) have a deeper understanding of that perspective. >> and doing it by not getting legal review of such changes is an even >> worse idea. >=20 >> Would you want a medical doctor to write a legal document? If not, >> why would you want a programmer to do so? >=20 > Are you saying that the DCO is so complicated that all devs will need > a lawyer, in order to understand what they are certifying? Then we are > doing something fundamentally wrong. Greg has a good point here. It may help to state clearly what are we trying to accomplish here, and evaluate different solutions against that goal. If our fork of DCO would still be optional, what does it accomplish? Might it create some additional issues? 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