From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D69FD139694 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 02:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9E3AA1FC005; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 02:16:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 735451FC003 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 02:16:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost.localdomain (pool-71-114-85-145.washdc.fios.verizon.net [71.114.85.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: bman) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7A45B3418FA for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 02:16:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Aaron Bauman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] The problem of defunct and undermanned projects in Gentoo Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 22:15:59 -0400 Message-ID: <6769381.Ok3fazvrpo@localhost.localdomain> Organization: Gentoo In-Reply-To: <98b8bfba-fc5b-0299-e8fc-ba69440e1943@gentoo.org> References: <1500239562.11529.1.camel@gentoo.org> <1500414026.1530.2.camel@gentoo.org> <98b8bfba-fc5b-0299-e8fc-ba69440e1943@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: c7b7a344-99dc-4231-9382-1af2f1f4e76c X-Archives-Hash: 4d04302f2e35d1f2298101a034a82aec On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 1:34:52 PM EDT Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > On 18/07/17 05:40 PM, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > > On wto, 2017-07-18 at 22:35 +0100, M. J. Everitt wrote: > >> On 18/07/17 22:23, Kent Fredric wrote: > >>> On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 22:12:45 +0100 > >>>=20 > >>> "M. J. Everitt" wrote: > >>>> I think mgorny was doing some general commit stats, and I have yet to > >>>> compile my own, but it would be very interesting to see how many > >>>> 'active' team members there were in any given project. I suspect the > >>>> results could be very telling ... > >>>=20 > >>> Its not even like they're "inactive", they're just not active *in the > >>> team*. > >>>=20 > >>> For some, there's no reason for them to devaway: > >>>=20 > >>> - They're on IRC > >>> - They commit daily > >>>=20 > >>> But they're on teams they seldom do things in. > >>>=20 > >>> This is probably more true the more teams you're on. > >>=20 > >> Then why are you 'in' the team.. I mean, there's one thing to idle on = an > >> IRC channel, but membership does normally imply some form of > >> contribution, no? Or is it just to make you 'look' > >> interested/popular/part-of-the-furniture .... > >=20 > > Well, that *is* a problem. However, we are supposed to be friendly > > and nice, and not tell other developers that they have done literally > > nothing during the 2 years they're part of some project. That could > > discourage them from contributing. >=20 > OK, so here's the flipside of this. I'm a member of a few projects > because I help take care of just a couple of things or maybe even just > a gentoo-carried patch. Being a project member is necessary as I do > want to have the commit rights on the project, but I'm -not- nor ever > meant to be a general project member or overall maintainer or dev. >=20 > So does that mean I should remove myself from these projects? Or > maybe do we just need some sort of 'occasional contributor' status to > the project membership? Or should things just stay as they are? Developers receive commit rights across the tree once they pass their ebuil= d=20 quiz and are onboarded. The ability to make an "acceptable" commit is base= d=20 upon your membership to a particular project. If you do not feel you are a= =20 "general project member" then work with the particular project you are=20 attempting to help. I *doubt* they will deny you the ability to commit on= =20 their behalf. Let's not attempt to define yet another category of contribu= tion=20 in order to make people feel welcome. =20 Work with people. =2DAaron