[gentoo-project] Are the gentoo-doc{,-cvs} and gentoo-scm mailing lists still needed?

[gentoo-project] Are the gentoo-doc{,-cvs} and gentoo-scm mailing lists still needed?

[Ulrich Mueller]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 922 bytes --]

The "All mailing lists" page [1] lists these under "Primary mailing
lists":

   gentoo-doc       For documentation contributions, suggestions,
                    improvements and translations

   gentoo-doc-cvs   Subscribe to this list if you want to be notified
                    on changes regarding our documentation

   gentoo-scm       Discussion about migration of primary Gentoo
                    repositories to alternate SCMs

gentoo-doc seems to be the mailing list of the former GDP project.
It has seen 2 messages in 2019, and none in 2017 and 2018.

gentoo-doc-cvs hasn't had any traffic since 2014.

gentoo-scm has apparently fulfilled its purpose and made itself
superfluous; there hasn't been any traffic since 2015.

I wonder if these are still needed, of if they should be frozen and
removed from the "primary" category.

Ulrich

[1] https://www.gentoo.org/get-involved/mailing-lists/all-lists.html

[-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --]

Re: [gentoo-project] Are the gentoo-doc{,-cvs} and gentoo-scm mailing lists still needed?

[Michał Górny]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1194 bytes --]

On Thu, 2019-11-28 at 15:14 +0100, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> The "All mailing lists" page [1] lists these under "Primary mailing
> lists":
> 
>    gentoo-doc       For documentation contributions, suggestions,
>                     improvements and translations
> 
>    gentoo-doc-cvs   Subscribe to this list if you want to be notified
>                     on changes regarding our documentation
> 
>    gentoo-scm       Discussion about migration of primary Gentoo
>                     repositories to alternate SCMs
> 
> gentoo-doc seems to be the mailing list of the former GDP project.
> It has seen 2 messages in 2019, and none in 2017 and 2018.
> 
> gentoo-doc-cvs hasn't had any traffic since 2014.
> 
> gentoo-scm has apparently fulfilled its purpose and made itself
> superfluous; there hasn't been any traffic since 2015.
> 
> I wonder if these are still needed, of if they should be frozen and
> removed from the "primary" category.
> 

Maybe we should have a separate category for historical lists.  We've
historically been just removing obsolete lists but including the archive
links for them still makes sense.

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny


[-- Attachment #2: This is a digitally signed message part --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 618 bytes --]

Re: [gentoo-project] Are the gentoo-doc{,-cvs} and gentoo-scm mailing lists still needed?

[Ulrich Mueller]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 334 bytes --]

>>>>> On Thu, 28 Nov 2019, Michał Górny wrote:

> Maybe we should have a separate category for historical lists.  We've
> historically been just removing obsolete lists but including the archive
> links for them still makes sense.

They're still still at https://archives.gentoo.org/lists under
"Frozen Archives".

Ulrich

[-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --]

Re: [gentoo-project] Are the gentoo-doc{,-cvs} and gentoo-scm mailing lists still needed?

[Michał Górny]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 526 bytes --]

On Thu, 2019-11-28 at 16:07 +0100, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, 28 Nov 2019, Michał Górny wrote:
> > Maybe we should have a separate category for historical lists.  We've
> > historically been just removing obsolete lists but including the archive
> > links for them still makes sense.
> 
> They're still still at https://archives.gentoo.org/lists under
> "Frozen Archives".
> 

Do you want to guess how I feel about having two disjoint lists
of lists? ;-)


-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny


[-- Attachment #2: This is a digitally signed message part --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 618 bytes --]

Re: [gentoo-project] Are the gentoo-doc{,-cvs} and gentoo-scm mailing lists still needed?

[Ulrich Mueller]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 539 bytes --]

>>>>> On Thu, 28 Nov 2019, Michał Górny wrote:

>> > Maybe we should have a separate category for historical lists.
>> > We've historically been just removing obsolete lists but including
>> > the archive links for them still makes sense.
>>
>> They're still still at https://archives.gentoo.org/lists under
>> "Frozen Archives".

> Do you want to guess how I feel about having two disjoint lists
> of lists? ;-)

I don't deny that there may be a more general problem, but please don't
hijack this thread for it.

Ulrich

[-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --]

Re: [gentoo-project] Are the gentoo-doc{,-cvs} and gentoo-scm mailing lists still needed?

[Michał Górny]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1914 bytes --]

On Thu, 2019-11-28 at 15:14 +0100, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> The "All mailing lists" page [1] lists these under "Primary mailing
> lists":
> 
>    gentoo-doc       For documentation contributions, suggestions,
>                     improvements and translations
> 
>    gentoo-doc-cvs   Subscribe to this list if you want to be notified
>                     on changes regarding our documentation
> 
>    gentoo-scm       Discussion about migration of primary Gentoo
>                     repositories to alternate SCMs
> 
> gentoo-doc seems to be the mailing list of the former GDP project.
> It has seen 2 messages in 2019, and none in 2017 and 2018.
> 
> gentoo-doc-cvs hasn't had any traffic since 2014.
> 
> gentoo-scm has apparently fulfilled its purpose and made itself
> superfluous; there hasn't been any traffic since 2015.
> 
> I wonder if these are still needed, of if they should be frozen and
> removed from the "primary" category.
> 

The truth is, most of those lists are entirely dead.  Even many of those
pertaining to existing projects are not known by the project members
(e.g. when I was on BSD project, I didn't know we had a list).

Other high-ranking candidates:
- gentoo-bsd -- project dead, one post since 2014
- gentoo-containers -- total of 6 posts in 2014-2017
- gentoo-keys -- project practically dead, last post in 2016
- gentoo-server -- last post in 2014
- gentoo-admin -- last post in 2017
- gentoo-qa -- last post in 2015
- gentoo-java -- 2016
- gentoo-guis -- 2013
- gentoo-genkernel -- 2015

Plus, many of the primary lists have only 1-2 posts per year -- not sure
if those posts wouldn't be better on some wider mailing lists.

I've skipped arch-specific lists.  Many of them also haven't seen any
traffic since 2015-2017.

I've skipped international lists.  Most of them are dead as well.

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny


[-- Attachment #2: This is a digitally signed message part --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 618 bytes --]

Re: [gentoo-project] Are the gentoo-doc{,-cvs} and gentoo-scm mailing lists still needed?

[Andreas K. Huettel]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 697 bytes --]

Am Donnerstag, 28. November 2019, 15:14:35 CET schrieb Ulrich Mueller:
> The "All mailing lists" page [1] lists these under "Primary mailing
> lists":
> 
>    gentoo-doc       For documentation contributions, suggestions,
>                     improvements and translations
> 
>    gentoo-doc-cvs   Subscribe to this list if you want to be notified
>                     on changes regarding our documentation
> 
>    gentoo-scm       Discussion about migration of primary Gentoo
>                     repositories to alternate SCMs
> 

Freeze them. 0.01K.

-- 
Andreas K. Hüttel
dilfridge@gentoo.org
Gentoo Linux developer 
(council, toolchain, base-system, perl, libreoffice)

[-- Attachment #2: This is a digitally signed message part. --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 833 bytes --]

Re: [gentoo-project] Are the gentoo-doc{,-cvs} and gentoo-scm mailing lists still needed?

[Michael 'veremitz' Everitt]

[-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 727 bytes --]

On 07/12/19 21:11, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 28. November 2019, 15:14:35 CET schrieb Ulrich Mueller:
>> The "All mailing lists" page [1] lists these under "Primary mailing
>> lists":
>>
>>    gentoo-doc       For documentation contributions, suggestions,
>>                     improvements and translations
>>
>>    gentoo-doc-cvs   Subscribe to this list if you want to be notified
>>                     on changes regarding our documentation
>>
>>    gentoo-scm       Discussion about migration of primary Gentoo
>>                     repositories to alternate SCMs
>>
> Freeze them. 0.01K.
>
I propose a motion to delegate to dilfridge, as the resident expert in
cryogenics ... :P XD


[-- Attachment #2: OpenPGP digital signature --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 801 bytes --]