From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4C38138334 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 07:46:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 964D9E096D; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 07:46:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C032E08C0 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 07:46:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiot (d202-252.icpnet.pl [109.173.202.252]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2FE0B340943; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 07:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <61d1be9c060c7cf9b8556c3a3a83e452fc2ccef5.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] call for agenda items -- council meeting 2019-04-14 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_G=C3=B3rny?= To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Cc: Alec Warner Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 09:45:54 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20190410073625.2b44peoeu2tkfpdp@gentoo.org> References: <20190401032055.GA9497@linux1.home> <4bbfc34f-335f-5521-310a-b66ffd0d9a9a@gentoo.org> <5e30d658-80c8-b608-1505-dc08db3625bf@gentoo.org> <20190403174315.32615d3b9574571e3ed4a399@gentoo.org> <80ed2e482e96c96555bf4fd9331731c4c9ad0d7f.camel@gentoo.org> <5e5d94b9-4930-ebb0-2efd-c32abe6827d8@gentoo.org> <2495c3061f522db40cbd37a6f809d309063294c0.camel@gentoo.org> <20190410073625.2b44peoeu2tkfpdp@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-takp8aAqU4mv/OjK47bD" User-Agent: Evolution 3.30.5 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Archives-Salt: 3ba78fec-5378-404f-86a0-1eca161697a7 X-Archives-Hash: 93e6c1e7f078ba88f63a59abb8cc0cf6 --=-takp8aAqU4mv/OjK47bD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2019-04-10 at 16:36 +0900, Alice Ferrazzi wrote: > > Perhaps the person you talked to don't 'take no for an answer'. > > If the policy works for the majority of people, and there are only few > > who disagree with it (no matter how much they try to exaggerate it), > > and most of those few so far have failed to provide a really good > > argument why they can't do it, then I'm sorry but that's just how thing= s > > work. >=20 > If you have any better data, that is not just a presumption please show u= s. > saying that the majority of people is contributing in Gentoo, is no > meaning. On how many people you are talking about ? you are taking in=20 > consideration all the Gentoo users? I'm talking about the cases I know of, i.e. cases that were explicitly raised, including developers and proxy-maint. If I'm counting correctly, there were less than 10 of them. I'm not going to make a shame list here. If people want to express their opinion, they are free to do so. However, so far it seems that the most people expressing opinions are 'advocates' who have a lot of nameless claims. > For me having people quitting Gentoo devs or Gentoo contribution for a > change in GLEP is a big deal, we are already not that many. What really matters are users. One person 'quitting Gentoo devs' is a small price to pay for a better chance that our users will not be suddenly hit by a destructive copyright pursuit. > I'm certainly against changing the policy on arguments like 'but I want > > to brand myself as X' or 'but you can't prove people are using fake > > identities'. If you really want to push for the latter, I wouldn't min= d > > making some form of identity verification obligatory for everyone.=20 > > However, I doubt that's the result you want. >=20 > Happy to ear your personal opinion but not everyone thinks in the same > way as you. > I think the opinion of other people is a valuable opinion whathever they > say. This doesn't add anything. Just because other people have other opinions, it doesn't mean their opinions are to be considered higher than mine. Or anyone else. > What I think we want, is more people contributing in Gentoo. No. What we want, is improvement for the users. Improvement is made by more good activity. Which may or may not involve 'more people contributing'. I know it's not cool to value person's contributions but I'm going to be blunt: one person doing a lot of good work is worth more than three contributors who do very little work and a lot of noise about using their pseudonyms. And yes, that's my opinion which -- as you have implied -- is not as valuable as the opinions of those few. --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --=-takp8aAqU4mv/OjK47bD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQKTBAABCgB9FiEEXr8g+Zb7PCLMb8pAur8dX/jIEQoFAlytnzJfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDVF QkYyMEY5OTZGQjNDMjJDQzZGQ0E0MEJBQkYxRDVGRjhDODExMEEACgkQur8dX/jI EQr9uw/9HNjSVomG//9wwdQ67kHh4/EaW6KtR/MeO2z9bumyo66VHzTQ0Qm+AXze saff4i8Kv+LPY2X5bJGl1zHFaYfmM7vH9Lqowh2cw0R0GZXHIpJ63bHwNN3o07A8 dif7W8NcK3idinqs1njHaUGiyHR6Yn1h4dWalbIPNVVRubQ/RDCAyRGqhI8uqAGa tiUSw0yXeCMbakUGBe0/PqWXnGndsIAyOeAfaFVhdZQv6V963ki8lJMINNbEdEXz k1TIaJ2uyVxZ+v5R2giikTJ2iGAmrVfi9ulHRLkUPs/zBLI090/pumznMPENTOr6 RkIkOAlfZ7JMA9qzix+kmpDSjrnTE5f8JpHqIHyYfnePJzK3jF0oPeq9Vn1hRa5t a8E9lsNIcPJ95z5VHtdIagOD2RFX96JIRqWWa0AEBfLuJwNzDaO+V6Jh3jlqXEgb buWlMRCGKQOFCxVXz+RG7J6BiKLeB4/YxTU7vBenIOXYRznf9MysfQl7xrI4MP2w HwP6HKCapjrKxN3/XSDtBcaeJb8AVnTL34aJYrx4gczmJe3K6YgRJ9Qt7V0DRpPU 7orQpZ241kfq01qL6i9IBDjx46hrvgWGW5ABTheFu7ahH9KH7U6bGqs4OOpacCYW gUv0NZXGQJJlOaNGTVj4AQPe3ETZXIfMbPcNHYbfT5g2B0ddo5U= =uPtK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-takp8aAqU4mv/OjK47bD--