From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75D521382C5 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2020 21:23:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E3B3E08EF; Fri, 11 Dec 2020 21:23:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (dev.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDF5AE08EC for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2020 21:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Shutting down the Off the Wall (was: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items ...) To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <20201130164650.j46wjcxzethfn6qp@hydra> <5284753.ZASKD2KPVS@farino> From: Thomas Deutschmann Organization: Gentoo Foundation, Inc Message-ID: <610b4436-7881-eff7-16f6-ea1ad3076034@gentoo.org> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 22:23:32 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.5.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5284753.ZASKD2KPVS@farino> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="aNuIHyWO5xCTrt93Y6GmbYQtC4Tlu8km4" X-Archives-Salt: 2c24d1af-61f3-465f-a858-525004460233 X-Archives-Hash: 095216acffa3e4d0de4675fe3d9f0f1d This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --aNuIHyWO5xCTrt93Y6GmbYQtC4Tlu8km4 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="jurNgK6yLDkPWyInw9gWy8IeNNzi8KOzk"; protected-headers="v1" From: Thomas Deutschmann To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <610b4436-7881-eff7-16f6-ea1ad3076034@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: Shutting down the Off the Wall (was: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items ...) References: <20201130164650.j46wjcxzethfn6qp@hydra> <5284753.ZASKD2KPVS@farino> In-Reply-To: <5284753.ZASKD2KPVS@farino> --jurNgK6yLDkPWyInw9gWy8IeNNzi8KOzk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, The topic has been discussed extensively in the past few weeks; The sad climax was last Tuesday. At this point I will not look back anymore. Maybe all of us could have done a better job but whataboutism doesn=92t help anyone. Let's try to focus on a possible solution. To recall the problem: On November 7th, Gentoo forum member "Old School" named another human being a slut (https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-8526392.html#8526392)= =2E This is a violation of Gentoo's code of conduct where we explicit state that "posting messages that are deliberately hostile and insulting" are unacceptable behaviors=20 (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council/Code_of_conduct). This is not about free speech. Gentoo is primary a Linux distribution, not a discussion platform. This is about us who defined once how we want to treat each other in the Gentoo community and everyone participating must adhere to our code of conduct. It=92s that simple. I expect that everyone in Gentoo, including forum moderators, agree on th= at. What does that mean for the forum? From my point of view, the following things must change: 1) We must finally migrate the forum's software. The new software should give us new possibilities like introducing a warning system and move to a reporting system which doesn't require posting in a public forum. This should make life for moderators a lot easier like nobody is expecting that moderators will read every posting. But once we get aware of a code of conduct violation, we must take action. 2) Moderators must of course moderate a bit more, at least for the next three months until everyone in the community has understood that Gentoo should be a place where everyone should feel welcome and where we pay attention how we treat each other. I am expecting that not more than 20 people will have a problem with our rules but consistently applied rules should either lead to changes in behavior or result in bans after a short time. 3) We should consider starting with a new, empty, OTW forum. Some old content like the screenshot or Christmas thread can (and should) of course be preserved. Like said, these are only the things which I believe have to change. I am looking forward for other opinions, especially from current forums moderators how they believe that the problem should be resolved. If the situation will not change and forum remains a place where our code of conduct will be ignored, we will have no choice but to close it. Let's work together to solve the problem and keep the forum open! Don=92t= let less than 20 people who don't share our values take our forum away from us! --=20 Regards, Thomas Deutschmann / Gentoo Linux Developer C4DD 695F A713 8F24 2AA1 5638 5849 7EE5 1D5D 74A5 --jurNgK6yLDkPWyInw9gWy8IeNNzi8KOzk-- --aNuIHyWO5xCTrt93Y6GmbYQtC4Tlu8km4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="OpenPGP_signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="OpenPGP_signature" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- wsB5BAABCAAjFiEEExKRzo+LDXJgXHuURObr3Jv2BVkFAl/T41QFAwAAAAAACgkQRObr3Jv2BVle 4Af/azKMRIoGbsObnJdW0RG45QoONTuLnVY8pWgLTnyWCZjrxhauocdNyKuWmv8320iTLANiz1I5 j5iwR22+R4aNYqTOll4g/V7dYyFNmYsI5xD38lBYAP0IhHmat7IuAalj92dOFaxzIjucjoYb2Qj8 lfHZ06qsXZ5rAdiRw/Z+JwgGf8Mq9TzTuYK7tVWaWrwh6/vpxaEb67AUb/9MefHCEQZL6HxyDqu7 E15xHrjm5yE+Ko3x5ZjcJpLdbRb4vQgsAOjjSq0Xy6bPqBLpNYmcD34zlpbHk9kILjeTRq92Rmep CroSOUqQrTlDWPp8BBlli52xoelO2lKJOaTaPK9ucA== =/dJT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --aNuIHyWO5xCTrt93Y6GmbYQtC4Tlu8km4--