From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 418CF138334 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 02:51:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BFBD6E0896; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 02:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F797E088A for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 02:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.6.88] ([212.159.46.162]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue007 [212.227.15.163]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M2CHo-1gJruJ2acG-00s5ou for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 04:51:07 +0200 Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] William Hubbs council manifesto 2018-2019 To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <20180616202634.GA29371@linux1.home> <1935290.nWKu69nTtg@pinacolada> <20180616232951.GA32738@linux1.home> <20180617014233.GA1567@linux1.home> <7aff3272-74c2-c5ed-92d8-fb1b4baa1eba@iee.org> From: "M. J. Everitt" Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=m.j.everitt@iee.org; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsFNBFj5szgBEAC/agebayc0YHOQ/gYpGTPrSfj/IWYynaub4p55TRPUYFQrBTAwR/Qy7EH/ QxsPX6pXKmUh44j+dGMzifOFbA9tN+XQcSPYSpqJJLnajDmBFw9gIIqCLSHYAWrKkP/NNo/1 edBQO61clMRf4+quPk6Jm/EdaIcDFO9PoclRJ202NYJJqFlXmzSpPZETYu2h0YeCO3cAkJwd EkRpU18u4p0b3/N9EPlMxlfZTaGiGC+uM0OI3g4MflexOnFDLkIVa8iaOA5ws/GxN6+r05E+ 2q3jF1WhbrfxlHRim1kEtPHU/e28eiL8V5A77PvNkgQz0ff2ob5wMQ9aQLJKrCLxkBDHaj1J 5l6dF3KXzAIC2L+cqEKgBxNppqvleWTTA9TLBEk211qnBDe/PCVvWvl0R1oQX+fnxlxI3WA+ k9K6382FqN0fEslvVC5SBIZq6jnLPyIbwSSE+70lxfnR56AbnUI1p2etgz6K+lEq/3Ba20Fu WBlXNIkcogvZR8Eyz5K/iKIv7Tcj6hHq+PA57ZM/FWEFDeQsY8hTtI1/hdri4BQ4NW6JNREr duz9BVyf+V648VayYjK9SrfeGfrRnv4L7DwaU1q/nASU4IwJAnPGN4TZ9xPv6W6x76cs3iJt 4x23t3Fpn54b+oSNj5JcBIFxkkmxt/qSLqJgytaK3RJrmHuHNwARAQABzTBNLiBKLiBFdmVy aXR0IChMYXB0b3Aga2V5KSA8bS5qLmV2ZXJpdHRAaWVlLm9yZz7CwYEEEwECACsCGwMFCQPC ZwAGCwkIBwMCBhUIAgkKCwQWAgMBAh4BAheABQJY+bowAhkBAAoJELvNRitMMx01do4P/0vZ jYo4IJI+OZMG7xpn9tbI6WDvvxP6b8yNaytlVbbSoX4ZJM0BlcEaVxQFpKxGYFWp7CAi3JH9 X93Pvt0PowAZstuO5MQklmTEsp450uv0IcfI4bXpr5Vvu6NrIBj+NMNUQFVIGYk20U0SO0gj KKl8LgLeMHiQWyTbDP8foqSIr3c8egIuHFKdSw+BKUCnTmdG1RQGKfNMiHHUPyNJopUCt/4w y7bSrBAiJTQM73mWjktpvMBYtlaYHLuCkkKQ3TL8pGlbWI2bEachxOzbE4nTLY6rlLAg+D8A t1tnXWprYN+OL0BxxqQHbWYKeboplF+XuMgDY73FfH/bzR6Z7AkBxFojIuBhfYlWNp1681xj t5MGfpZ83rTfspbbr2L+TWE/ZSOvecKXQAnve5+C2Wkqxgmolb8t7rS7GAVouD4Qul2mvem7 DAB066RxfzAxHRb9OvcEONhzuzYnj+Gi5OoD2hurhM7Ck63cHAvi65vRmkPHawsHiRlyUxUI E0/eHBWjBNH+vQFV7AfiFIytcYORpE/2T82nx6lFzvFrq6/vsTZ2m1UJ5HifusN6m6Mq0VGo tJhtTNyec/rKLEMRqHBPR2qyhuAKBkmWCEYLgiB+LGvTIibJ9LvXXwx4kr9H3ZiYT3u8I+N3 88FhfHzg/Yi5cTKm2uSRU+q/lBf31TTjzsFNBFj5szgBEACodliMRp6XsVb4TNbZK9JMGAx/ zV4HZOW7LMrDuauU2AGeY8MdzLEWhH3gARzgwnji4zoNi1mftrN5m7l5Mo8LR0MSfEzISA0o bbIqPG6bHRUV2i3zVjxIZQUoc5p4CwYdt2R1EMrfwe3o0RSQae1W0aiZCRRVFvyHImuQo1oG 5GNmhB1TW0RBL6OoFHKkBTdhT9Kkl/bNL1pWlXIkUYH1zmvwUIbswlRq9vnr2nGroS4pONKj mXFnOyzQrSw+HokwWi1mIJTfUWwJVKFTeWcD1MG6LEQhSSy3/h8EHfxzt0DDSgVdoPEzQ5g/ vjQV79rBSDiDSC3eGfpEzDabFlq16zKR3VKZ+b19NWIF6o4ZIfp2R08GHwFSzx9VNw/3RqSp UuJuRGS6+IRE0uGLzEmIzD+hYpMvcawT1QOgcbf/1dbtx9yt3W4EADT+cIReThjs8TtLd+4b Q26TnP0ZRweU3cvKZTsCLSupC2bzYQUpCK9lT/G5ZG2RZ8cA4gyGcqXFwPgJ1qPXpQv/1esd WcJ1pBXYyj/rTzFysjzrkXiW5n4jkhIx/QAvZ//+Q+m174AY2BRsNq4BVLS3BzwpiAx32Tp6 FcEUZWxjZ2r2ra1PyO1EMuKqnNmiynwlBoA/TISV8l/hok6HZF0zdef5lULdprGrdIDlPLhv J27N/7sdjQARAQABwsFlBBgBAgAPBQJY+bM4AhsMBQkDwmcAAAoJELvNRitMMx01xBsP/2e8 a6drTDEsUYvz5IyQMOu86mp5KTnovRDuTTMfgQVXHWwJMzcOmqrajVYaBeebi+AgbDWRZs4F 0MXWIlI2zfUVjgdEltqtr0HNKR+UdbRaCrSUQAb3Bkx7OSx1GnJktVv94517TXrLoRephN/v fnLe0rue8tfGP2ue41WKvdRq6yangJGa0FlSw6FpYxtO2eZyA49YLnXUGOLnr3hgM7lj8jRj RjkBe6C2l+X0B5H3NxtNv2NuwWGVvCBYKrdnT71Q6UoDWjsUlmO8PbysGQ0zRzblqMZru6O1 GaSyN0e0ChvngtBL2vFqZwuZFDMExOAEslJRxztVvbSKy2o/uQsvdPEHLtn0QbZglsgCjSDh r+Sp//5jEL87CDr+vInXbSKHeqnfkWXJq/DBGmreAqnHVho7UVtnyi/v8B9gPC9Bn/Zq2H6l BuvN+Km1tBfDY/2ILKdA5jhO1Osedip7BvBHPpq+JnTFQtsu5bhPBEI1xf7ghaklm25uR+2m vBzgLYqfSVcXQT1IQLYJOCJXTzebhbpzenxnUkfDShEjtNR4HZJjc+3kq+vfmbiCA8en4Yw9 3XpPx+FGGRi8Zn+ZKsMxN6ifwyJurW9aqZfRjnTiWp5i9kEY9X9l0JcuLTpPEF6rsiGUokQe S/3mELhhbHjD5l6T3DV70/Wg8L7qdF4Y Message-ID: <5fd69b7e-abf6-dfef-afe7-39402b8b0c68@iee.org> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2018 03:50:45 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5M78miTBTG7Cmycnbv7PIJSgmV9SADfkG" X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:VA7usxSSH9XLIEJKwEh6nZ5aTykiNpkG4uu4ro72PcJl5Alomjj 2yXvBZiFazH5Q8YojNvs1+p/mmftk9PS8eA+TBQGCo4GC1PlTOTYPv+kNfx0mZtf0gIJB1z sycBNWPmqzS+n+iv+pN7+15vKGzewlDNzm7Y84gJc6PWUA7/q+qNLH4Qyfi28sOBJOpuzVC FqcbDFbG8efzWXTgImK9A== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:do6OqSVPVZI=:yAAzgrNEheSVeLcgbf6ivK iD3CAWyf5I6l2YLjg+E89DhfcrLH+Wetxh+fQp9mNtjYonFHpvk6gU9dR+hhvDBIIYenHqCIG 7KqlbukQDqIeRjC6yKVSrRyS1qWBDgSRaZIxsis7e+gUgOZmO6aVy65dAnEPwxqTgK/02T62B CtXSmAiY6KsiliUI05JJXnR4ZtnBg2Fvoq/kcXVFqAVFVk9CkZg7wf0/K6lSKVNbXMHanbTmj yqrLMeaGrAgY4ll0+lVKTZp8tz+EADqCFqCjmVrifj7x1ZTvHDlErjXJFvnTj+fAG4EWcl3yR E7TE3t6JpgT06qFrKJwsxQlwKebKX8fuEtkDjIF44bU1ezKLV/lT7ITjB15sZQlrUYEmz6bFh b9psk5trsRbUO2wV/AV203veHuEGOhYFHrYHJnYuHxblgiG1PDb2lvOZr5byIChTkR2sc9tFT mK53Zm6SAOfHdwiL3mAHZCCP3ZYq33+JNHtEAULA3AHoSjjjc3ffpAvY0QCkRJhdXdgaO4/kx Ge7ecQhX2f4oj0hxLo5BCZle1W67BSz7YpfB+pbOHSFEXhkX7FxNyvY92fTQuJDbiM5SXvlbg hb83k/tFsv6K0Ry27omczi4SaxnAHKWMiUA9E+ZmuMHyJcQB8YLWS3W55Rr6NH0O6vYbVsW0n JTqbhtRC6iI0vjUsMd5cTbGxzrTG/FrJUxvnBnFn3XBXDS+nEynOOhpyGwoZymHNnU7g= X-Archives-Salt: 3b44b209-27d2-4339-b452-a7a50114e95c X-Archives-Hash: 19f0222f1adc0c16bcec533f230b7c6a This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --5M78miTBTG7Cmycnbv7PIJSgmV9SADfkG Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="d0aEnDsqWaUIWR0NU3F6zM4otYfH4KQNH"; protected-headers="v1" From: "M. J. Everitt" To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <5fd69b7e-abf6-dfef-afe7-39402b8b0c68@iee.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] William Hubbs council manifesto 2018-2019 References: <20180616202634.GA29371@linux1.home> <1935290.nWKu69nTtg@pinacolada> <20180616232951.GA32738@linux1.home> <20180617014233.GA1567@linux1.home> <7aff3272-74c2-c5ed-92d8-fb1b4baa1eba@iee.org> In-Reply-To: --d0aEnDsqWaUIWR0NU3F6zM4otYfH4KQNH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-GB On 17/06/18 03:43, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 10:34 PM M. J. Everitt wr= ote: >> My synopsis from the peanut gallery, is that everyone wants the power,= >> with none of the responsibility that conventionally comes with it. > The responsibility to run a non-profit corporation is purely > self-imposed. Plenty of FOSS projects manage to govern themselves > without requiring the people making the final decisions to file tax > returns. > That liability was inherited, not actively chosen by *any* of the devs of the last decade, or so. To change it, still requires that situation be resolved .. whatever path is chosen .. In some ways, winding up Gentoo Foundation, Inc. and starting again with a 501(c)3 would be a better way forward, but since I don't know the ins-and-outs of US organisations, I'm gonna stay outta the why's and wherefores. Suffice to say, TL;DR we gotta deal with the situation(s) we find ourselves in today, not bikeshed what we would have done differently, or who we can blame .. as that achieves nothing, and is wasted effort that could be better spent elsewhere. Like fixing the problem .. --d0aEnDsqWaUIWR0NU3F6zM4otYfH4KQNH-- --5M78miTBTG7Cmycnbv7PIJSgmV9SADfkG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEERR5DB4J2baXtk4AVu81GK0wzHTUFAlslzIcACgkQu81GK0wz HTXP5A/+Me6ZKGnHmoElOPajdVYJL8GtdLBSe6zJBWij5gpkcGH0Jo49tScV0Yaf 8tYVMWQv88MTzJjPnm9X00WSUi/DYll+ikPFZ/vkUJ5GewzBoTAq7rCQ23xFGyEk z2C0nE72pcM2b0PAuMoplhPrRcxp4w7OzEt98geCKq0nyQhA1/rxPP60wmrgGnQM pAJkGic1U4XZToV7tb6Rai2s5K+vQLUK0HMBuXQwpVFO4bSIjbN4Yu4rfaBGphYO REioZP/1s/W+M73kzXZjCyuBQopaTmuk5DKwXCfWLiZkQA28xpDdXc1pbm/Nvo5o JqC/fty+qbB+gVdfRrU2nimxTjTpJMBorRT1sli5Own9+qH1LppnH+6wiUu5i2VR TZDrxYIDSucoZ3v9yUDnIql0O7GmSrZVHwHi6GUSppjht9MFpNTV6uFeh5EVnWEp cLyqffmkAkGE5w2FgnDqgOPWBFcTF6f1txnWe8ftjnKsDS/1eYsExI51O9REmveb GWgvCqsUYv1NCmkjaMSTAzvANxLZ4Jq00NYZ3ZyJrsA3vnY12DspcT3kRZ3MrS9B eYTt2aklq+85j1d/ycldYrYdOUDn+msMCQ9EKylWIllignahrpq3SGUPfSfSphqe 16dXHLgYKkui4oMc2nlfKuHJmAooCvZTrkuMdHRESdPQkK7u/VU= =hXJF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5M78miTBTG7Cmycnbv7PIJSgmV9SADfkG--