From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (unknown [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17FE6138334 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2019 21:33:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 042C8E0B17; Sat, 26 Jan 2019 21:33:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (woodpecker.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C27B7E0B11 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2019 21:33:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.2.122] (dslb-094-222-121-018.094.222.pools.vodafone-ip.de [94.222.121.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: chithanh) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C0FB1335CD5; Sat, 26 Jan 2019 21:33:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [gentoo-project] Re: What should the default acceptable licenses be? To: Kristian Fiskerstrand , gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: From: =?UTF-8?Q?Ch=c3=ad-Thanh_Christopher_Nguy=e1=bb=85n?= Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Message-ID: <5a20bdb0-c571-fd12-2efa-73ee65469a2d@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2019 22:32:37 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.9.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 794334d4-bb8c-46da-ae6b-7991f04d14c2 X-Archives-Hash: 83c9e9b3920498b89849680053486ebc Kristian Fiskerstrand schrieb: > In summary the question is whether non-free licenses should be accepted > by default in Gentoo. today only licenses requiring EULA are not > accepted by default. So this is a good opportunity to discuss whether we > should deviate substantially from other distros like Debian. Which ones are the "other distros" besides Debian? Fedora/openSUSE/Ubuntu/etc. all ship proprietary parts in default repositories. > My personal opinion is we should have a default accepting FSF and OSI > approved free/libre licenses and require acceptance for anything else > though package.license / ACCEPT_LICENSE. Since we have this model > already we don't need a separate repository like debian does for its > binary packages, so any change has relatively minor impact on our users > as long as it is presented properly and with a proper timeline. No, the impact is considerable. As I pointed out in the previous discussion[1], it will require a deblobbed kernel among other things, a different approach to handling sourceless binaries under a free license (ulm suggested a no-source-code tag), and no small effort in educating users. That said, I'm all for it. Gentoo should make users acknowledge when they install proprietary software. Best regards, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn [1] https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/message/d2196de6a6c8285bfa9c1b789ef88dae