From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E4C1138334 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2019 20:03:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 78195E08A4; Tue, 5 Feb 2019 20:03:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smarthost01b.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost01b.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.1.3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41B25E08A2 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2019 20:03:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [62.3.120.142] (helo=NeddySeagoon_Static) by smarthost01b.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1gr6wj-0008Bx-Sk for gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2019 20:03:53 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2019 20:03:06 +0000 From: Roy Bamford Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] What should the default acceptable licenses be? To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <93eadd8b-7c3a-5781-cc42-c5f814c65039@gentoo.org> (from grknight@gentoo.org on Tue Jan 29 17:28:07 2019) X-Mailer: Balsa 2.5.6 Message-Id: <5FLHSGO6.CLHPFZMQ.O4TMXSS3@QVKRXSX2.QCQ5KNWX.TEPQPL2L> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-AUJ+WXCtLUWMaF9M2YQF" X-Originating-smarthost01b-IP: [62.3.120.142] Feedback-ID: 62.3.120.142 X-Archives-Salt: 7b500994-ac96-4650-b628-5890057200de X-Archives-Hash: 98a019ee6b1ac3fe92500ee1171d0bcd --=-AUJ+WXCtLUWMaF9M2YQF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2019.01.29 17:28, Brian Evans wrote: > On 1/29/2019 11:54 AM, Thomas Deutschmann wrote: > > On 2019-01-28 23:27, Matt Turner wrote: > >> It's very common to need firmware to use wired or wireless > networking. > >> I would not want to ship installation media without requisite > >> firmware. > >=20 > > I don't think that sys-kernel/linux-firmware would be affected. > >=20 > > But if it would be affected, where's the problem? Just create > > /etc/portage/package.license for that media. > >=20 > > Again, the main motion is for users starting with a fresh stage3 > image. > > Gentoo is about choices. So the only thing which will actually > change is > > an additional prompt because we are raising awareness... > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > This is a barrier for new users. As seen in #gentoo, new users are > often quite confused over the prompt to add static-libs to > sys-apps/util-linux when installing genkernel. They think it is an > error and rush for support to solve it. >=20 > Now the chance that more user issues will occur with licenses will > only > increase. >=20 > sys-kernel/gentoo-sources, or any sources for that matter, would have > to > be exempted on each and every install (larger barrier and confusion). >=20 > 75-90% of all users will need to be add sys-firmware/linux-firmware to > package.license so what's the point? Yes, specific configurations can > exist without it, but those are becoming increasingly rare. >=20 > I say instead of changing the default, have more clear documentation > on > how to have users change things to what they want if they choose this > "free as in freedom" mantra. I'd rather have less barriers and more > users. >=20 > Brian >=20 >=20 After being nagged about ACCEPT_LICENSE a few times, most users=20 will set ACCEPT_LICENSE=3D"*" just for an easy life. They already have=20 a lot to learn and this is the easy answer to this new learning opportunity= . The few users that actually care about politically correct free software can be educated in the handbook as to what to set in ACCEPT_LICENSE Leave the default ACCEPT_LICENSE=3D as is but update the handbook to explain have to set ACCEPT_LICENSE together with a health warning about potential problems. That keeps the majority of users happy. --=20 Regards, Roy Bamford (Neddyseagoon) a member of elections gentoo-ops forum-mods = --=-AUJ+WXCtLUWMaF9M2YQF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEEsOrcx0gZrrCMwJzo/xJODTqpeT4FAlxZ6/wACgkQ/xJODTqp eT7OzwgAytTj7OBEcV1Vhlet3aIHsdEn/cguktNdvXAF92MBCkmbGkmmUB4kq0ec IIO7feqdI/NUkiS07yd8g8pbldDnxYjgVWh4+ZLCW3eLLSyWoG1JoIHw47y7r2AS j7CsilSt9q+SOPWZWH6h0y2EEuZ9CWj/mGjF31pIRJYKVLMzZbSTD3V56d/Ku/we yae3n34/bTIp2SDvf0VG1mRW+7VtW+ojLPtex7UY1C4o/hdU76IofGpmsOg+01Uz 1Ikyw5wVSWBO4C3gqeNrKeaX4J2uwBOFyWVDI5WFX5JEJWFhjHNlq2do8DQwSGWe YTO8JhjSVuWYoD9P+xbxqjW/CykBTw== =Z4rf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-AUJ+WXCtLUWMaF9M2YQF--