From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D2A8138A1A for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:06:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2607CE09A2; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:06:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D91BE0994 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:06:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (unknown [124.79.51.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: patrick) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 32CC0340764 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:06:47 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <54E09933.4030402@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 21:03:47 +0800 From: Patrick Lauer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo, GitHub, and the Social Contract References: <201502142148.30540.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <1423967017.19532.4.camel@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <1423967017.19532.4.camel@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 21d99ddc-a689-4b49-9058-483235c276eb X-Archives-Hash: 413f610b409f667558f8ac4d36c31317 On 02/15/15 10:23, Mart Raudsepp wrote: > On L, 2015-02-14 at 16:37 -0500, Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Andreas K. Huettel >> wrote: >>> >>> We need to resolve this discussion somehow, by formulating a clear policy. >>> Which is why I'm putting it up here for discussion and will ask to add it to >>> the next council meeting agenda. >> >> I tend to agree with what seems to be the general sentiment. As long >> as we still accept patches via bugzilla/etc, then we aren't >> "depending" on github. >> >> FOSS alternatives are to be preferred, but since we don't have those >> set up, I don't see why we have to live without anything in the >> meantime. If somebody wants to host such a thing, I'd encourage them >> to do so, and work with infra if they'll accept help. > > That is a good question. > I'm sorry if I am the only one to point this out, but: > We do NOT have even a WEB VIEW of our OFFICIAL overlays to see what is > going on there without BLINDLY cloning git URIs randomly! > Why should contributors care ONE BIT about things outside their comfort > zone of contributions, which is github in many cases these days? > After 6 months of complete blindness on official overlays, I was > eventually pointed at an outside cgit which shows what's going on there. Yeah, http://cgit.gentooexperimental.org I've set that up as a temporary thingy until infra remembers to infra. In the meantime feel free to use it, it's updated every ~4h by cronjob. > After 2 years of talking, we are still using CVS. Actually closer to 10 years, but cvs works well enough that people don't spend that much time on migrating to alternatives > > With all the respect to the infra team they have done with their > existing capabilities, but we need to do better and find better ways to > achieve what we can with existing resources and fix this completely sad > state. I would help if I could ... there's still stuff like archives.gentoo.org where I have not enough information *how* it is broken to figure out a fix. Also I'm running too much other stuff that infra should be running, so why the bleeping bleep bleep bleeeeeep bleep bleep do I have to run all these services?! (If I'm not forgetting anything - znurt.org (beandog's alternative to packages.g.o) AutoRepoman (an ugly shell script I hacked together during a long weekend) irker (reports to IRC, but gets horribly confused with git commits messages as I still don't have access to proper git postcommit hooks) libreoffice-bin build host http://packages.gentooexperimental.org/packages (cronjob'ed binpkg server for @system on x86/amd64) http://cgit.gentooexperimental.org - even mirrors the github gentoo-portage-rsync-mirror repo ) All these things are rather trivial to set up (I spent *almost* 2h to figure out cgit from scratch), so I wonder why Gentoo Infra doesn't infra. If y'all need help just say so and help shall be provided! Have fun, Patrick