Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo, GitHub, and the Social Contract

[Patrick Lauer <patrick@gentoo.org>]

On 02/15/15 10:23, Mart Raudsepp wrote:
> On L, 2015-02-14 at 16:37 -0500, Rich Freeman wrote:
>> On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Andreas K. Huettel
>> <dilfridge@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> We need to resolve this discussion somehow, by formulating a clear policy.
>>> Which is why I'm putting it up here for discussion and will ask to add it to
>>> the next council meeting agenda.
>>
>> I tend to agree with what seems to be the general sentiment.  As long
>> as we still accept patches via bugzilla/etc, then we aren't
>> "depending" on github.
>>
>> FOSS alternatives are to be preferred, but since we don't have those
>> set up, I don't see why we have to live without anything in the
>> meantime.  If somebody wants to host such a thing, I'd encourage them
>> to do so, and work with infra if they'll accept help.
> 
> That is a good question.
> I'm sorry if I am the only one to point this out, but:
> We do NOT have even a WEB VIEW of our OFFICIAL overlays to see what is
> going on there without BLINDLY cloning git URIs randomly!
> Why should contributors care ONE BIT about things outside their comfort
> zone of contributions, which is github in many cases these days?
> After 6 months of complete blindness on official overlays, I was
> eventually pointed at an outside cgit which shows what's going on there.

Yeah, http://cgit.gentooexperimental.org

I've set that up as a temporary thingy until infra remembers to infra.
In the meantime feel free to use it, it's updated every ~4h by cronjob.

> After 2 years of talking, we are still using CVS.
Actually closer to 10 years, but cvs works well enough that people don't
spend that much time on migrating to alternatives
> 
> With all the respect to the infra team they have done with their
> existing capabilities, but we need to do better and find better ways to
> achieve what we can with existing resources and fix this completely sad
> state.

I would help if I could ... there's still stuff like archives.gentoo.org
where I have not enough information *how* it is broken to figure out a fix.

Also I'm running too much other stuff that infra should be running, so
why the bleeping bleep bleep bleeeeeep bleep bleep do I have to run all
these services?!

(If I'm not forgetting anything -

znurt.org (beandog's alternative to packages.g.o)
AutoRepoman (an ugly shell script I hacked together during a long weekend)
irker (reports to IRC, but gets horribly confused with git commits
messages as I still don't have access to proper git postcommit hooks)
libreoffice-bin build host
http://packages.gentooexperimental.org/packages (cronjob'ed binpkg
server for @system on x86/amd64)
http://cgit.gentooexperimental.org - even mirrors the github
gentoo-portage-rsync-mirror repo

)

All these things are rather trivial to set up (I spent *almost* 2h to
figure out cgit from scratch), so I wonder why Gentoo Infra doesn't
infra. If y'all need help just say so and help shall be provided!


Have fun,

Patrick