From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402311391DB for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:43:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CE5A3E0921; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:43:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4392EE0917 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:43:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (tor-exit0-readme.dfri.se [171.25.193.20]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: hasufell) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DD0EC3400F1 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:43:03 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <53DBC38E.70100@gentoo.org> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 16:42:54 +0000 From: hasufell Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-08-12 References: <21463.26330.847055.224071@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <53DA69DA.8020000@gentoo.org> <53DB7F42.4010609@gentoo.org> <53DB901C.4090004@gentoo.org> <20140801143741.1ebf8df6@googlemail.com> <53DBA5CF.3010708@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: ee93e4c0-eaa3-47f3-93b6-990aeb0d8eea X-Archives-Hash: 9ac765d5dc83d5a8973d573cf26a562a Michael Palimaka: > On 08/02/2014 12:35 AM, hasufell wrote: >> Rich Freeman: >>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Ciaran McCreesh >>> wrote: >>>> On Fri, 1 Aug 2014 09:24:46 -0400 >>>> Rich Freeman wrote: >>>>> The thing is, with @preserved-rebuild I don't have to run >>>>> revdep-rebuild for the packages that either can't be or simply aren't >>>>> migrated to slot operator deps. That is a huge win. Also, random >>>>> things aren't broken during the time that I'm rebuilding, so I don't >>>>> end up chrooting into my system from a rescue CD when I forget to run >>>>> revdep-rebuild. I'll be happy when the day comes when we can get rid >>>>> of it, but that day is not yet here. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, like dynamic dependencies, there's a vicious feedback >>>> cycle of increasingly ugly hacks with preserved-rebuild. >>> >>> No argument there at all. Hence my statement that I'll be happy when >>> the day comes when I can be rid of it. >>> >> >> Rich, this is a _fundamental_ problem we have in gentoo. It's the lack >> of a development model. > > It's also one of Gentoo's strengths. Please draft a document and present > it to the Council if you would like to change it. > > Absolutely not. The development model is within the scope of a specific project, so the portage team can decide what model they want to follow.