From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (unknown [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 308D41381FA for ; Thu, 15 May 2014 08:58:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 290ABE09C3; Thu, 15 May 2014 08:58:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CC7EE09B6 for ; Thu, 15 May 2014 08:58:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [91.220.220.251] (unknown [91.220.220.251]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: pinkbyte) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DC99533FDB5 for ; Thu, 15 May 2014 08:58:20 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <537481BE.1070609@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 12:58:38 +0400 From: Sergey Popov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] OT - Tinderbox question References: <536D2231.6030808@gentoo.org> <536E1FA7.5050704@gentoo.org> <2731252.LOkG5ql5OK@localhost> <536FE7C4.2090403@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <536FE7C4.2090403@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dlQCPiNErdS32GMkdKgIFSvWiNkwVsuLf" X-Archives-Salt: 09b873db-58ee-4e2a-b45c-29e17acea3fc X-Archives-Hash: 27693731aeb1390e23aabc1ea311e6e5 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --dlQCPiNErdS32GMkdKgIFSvWiNkwVsuLf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 12.05.2014 01:12, hasufell =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > Patrick Lauer: >> On Saturday 10 May 2014 12:46:31 hasufell wrote: >>> Samuli Suominen: >>>> On 09/05/14 21:37, Tom Wijsman wrote: >>>>>> It's counterproductive, means now user needs to read sourcecode of= >>>>>> each package to determine it for himself, no global USE=3D"gtk" >>>>>> possible anymore, massive pollution of package.use. >>>>> >>>>> So, rehashing it in a thread to which it is unrelated yields no res= ults. >>>> >>>> I'm not so sure, it seems QA is picking policies as per what some lo= ud >>>> people on the ML say as opposed to giving overwhelming technical arg= uments >>>> their proper weight >>> >>> Well, if QA team members confuses "bugs" with "bug reports" and say t= hey >>> don't want to do actual work (aka tinderbox), because it would cause >>> more "bugs", then I have serious doubts about their technical >>> understanding of certain issues. >> >> It's not about "want", it's about having the resources (mostly time) t= o do so. >> >> If you wish to experience that for yourself - just build everything (I= can=20 >> give you a script to do so), and then triage bugs. It's great fun for = the first=20 >> few hundred failures :) >> >=20 > I hear you. >=20 > Anyway, last time I spoke with the QA lead, he said that QA has > currently enough manpower. >=20 > It's a little bit confusing. >=20 > What I am pissed about are the arguments other people have given (not > you), not the missing tinderbox... really. I appreciate every hour > people put in gentoo. It isn't about "you didn't get enough stuff done"= , > at all. >=20 > It is about some comments that reveal the way QA (or some parts of it) > thinks about itself. Nothing more, nothing less. >=20 > Something about that needs to change, IMO. And I don't necessarily mean= > a regrouping of members or something similar. We already tried that, > didn't we? Let's not make it a habit. >=20 >=20 > It's sad that you have to yell out that loud before people actually > listen. But the fact is... you have to. > In the end, the blame is on the guy who yelled, not on the people who > didn't listen, because CoC doesn't really cover the latter. >=20 You know that we do not forbid any ordinary developer to help us, that's what said on our project page. If you think that you can create tinderbox that can be official for Gentoo - just go for it and when you will done - begin to receive kudos for great job. Cause now i see much yelling about tinderbox(not only from you), but no real progress globally. Diego did some job about tinderbox and Patrick doing this job about it now. What's your progress? Some scripts? Architectural design? As for me - i said earlier: i can donate resources. I do not have enough knowledge to build good tinderbox solution for the whole distro myself. That's the true. And yes, we need tinderbox. But, c'mon. stop talking loudly on ML and get things done if you can. --=20 Best regards, Sergey Popov Gentoo developer Gentoo Desktop Effects project lead Gentoo Qt project lead Gentoo Proxy maintainers project lead --dlQCPiNErdS32GMkdKgIFSvWiNkwVsuLf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTdIG+AAoJECo/aRed9267ob0H/Al7WHI08Vg7D4uJhoD8+Q21 WNvhopjL6xqIA6JPgQspFINP90oUgcSfZeE4Uyt3Cs5vm4nUvO5djAlhgmZae0aE o+Lc2dZg/YCJXRfbDiaSNYcQM2R5Rl8YPRxsxLwruXPTnHfJdkcqRKpiMFlTGvWx UV5IK8jKT5nz/pYfbpkXiKUyewyw1ra9PpqLruLsIMA5c7z28z7TA0QZUz8tYf0b TerVusCrttRG/AxCq/M04Nzxq8fS6CDVVonQ+xQfi0l0QqCcj0qOZtoIMlSZkRwi /aW3DOPgQtuihY031Fytaj6YpG48WuQ/Poa2PC31xWbHJhKVLx+t62bUm05dYzk= =WqXR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dlQCPiNErdS32GMkdKgIFSvWiNkwVsuLf--