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From: hasufell <hasufell@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org
Cc: infra@gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Call For Agenda Items - 13 May 2014
Date: Fri, 09 May 2014 17:43:43 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <536D13CF.2000403@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140509172925.29e3f212@gentoo.org>

I'll give it to this list outright.

I have problems believing in QA competence when I read comments like these:

https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=473#c14
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=473#c17

You even blocked me out of the bug. I mean... wtf is happening here? I'm
not even sure the list can read those bug comments to understand what I
mean.

I used to believe it's lack of manpower/time or even laziness, but I am
not sure anymore.

Funnily... the meeting summary of march is lost where you were supposed
to vote on the tinderbox matter. I am not sure either if that is "by
accident" anymore. I pinged you guys often enough. No one seems to have
the logs anymore.

Anyway, I had less trouble getting responses from the old QA team. When
I ask you guys, I usually get one of these responses (or similar):
* nothing, unless I ping you after 2 weeks again
* "probably not in QAs scope"
* "post on dev ML first, we don't know what to think"
* "not sure if that's our business, appeal to council"

Not sure what's worth QA if they don't have strong opinions and try to
avoid to piss off people.

I used to ask QA for guidance beforehand on delicate matters before I
escalated elsewhere or chose a particular approach. That doesn't really
work anymore, instead people expect me to fire up the bikeshedding
dev-ML which is the worst place to get ideas and do constructive
brainstorming.


I expect infra to unblock bug 473 now. This is unacceptable.


  reply	other threads:[~2014-05-09 17:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2014-05-08 23:28 ` [gentoo-project] Re: Call For Agenda Items - 13 May 2014 Rich Freeman
2014-05-09 11:21   ` Dirkjan Ochtman
2014-05-10  2:56     ` Robin H. Johnson
2014-05-10  6:03       ` Samuli Suominen
2014-05-10 11:10         ` Joshua Kinard
2014-05-10 15:41         ` Markos Chandras
2014-05-10 15:51           ` Rich Freeman
2014-05-09 14:07   ` hasufell
2014-05-09 15:29     ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-09 17:43       ` hasufell [this message]
2014-05-09 18:02         ` hasufell
2014-05-09 18:13           ` Rich Freeman
2014-05-09 18:19             ` Samuli Suominen
2014-05-09 18:37               ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-09 18:45                 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-05-09 19:00                   ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-10 12:37                     ` hasufell
2014-05-10 14:22                       ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-11 20:41                         ` hasufell
2014-05-11 20:57                           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-10 12:46                   ` hasufell
2014-05-10 13:22                     ` Rich Freeman
2014-05-10 13:43                       ` hasufell
2014-05-10 14:22                         ` Ulrich Mueller
2014-05-10 14:30                           ` Wulf C. Krueger
2014-05-10 14:51                             ` Markos Chandras
2014-05-14 17:22                               ` Roy Bamford
2014-05-10 15:19                             ` [gentoo-project] Professional behaviour (was: Call For Agenda Items - 13 May 2014) Ulrich Mueller
2014-05-10 15:30                               ` Rich Freeman
2014-05-10 15:33                             ` [gentoo-project] Re: Call For Agenda Items - 13 May 2014 Tom Wijsman
2014-05-11 20:40                           ` hasufell
2014-05-11 20:45                             ` hasufell
2014-05-10 15:22                         ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-11 14:14                         ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-11 16:51                           ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-05-11 17:18                             ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-11 17:52                               ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-05-11 18:15                                 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-12  0:14                                   ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-05-12  0:28                                     ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-12  0:42                                       ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-05-12  0:58                                         ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-12 14:04                                           ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-05-12 14:22                                             ` Rich Freeman
2014-05-12 15:19                                               ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-05-12 15:41                                                 ` Rich Freeman
2014-05-12 16:24                                                   ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-05-12 17:33                                             ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-12 17:54                                               ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-05-12 18:33                                                 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-12 19:13                                                   ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2014-05-12 20:24                                                     ` [OT] " Tom Wijsman
2014-05-11 17:34                             ` Samuli Suominen
2014-05-11 17:54                               ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-11 18:06                                 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-05-11 18:33                                   ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-11 18:49                                     ` Samuli Suominen
2014-05-11 19:05                                       ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-11 19:15                                         ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-11 17:28                           ` Samuli Suominen
2014-05-11 17:40                             ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-11 18:06                           ` Rich Freeman
2014-05-11 18:09                             ` Samuli Suominen
2014-05-11 18:12                               ` Samuli Suominen
2014-05-11 19:10                                 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-11 19:30                               ` Ulrich Mueller
2014-05-11 20:25                                 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-11 23:48                                   ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-05-12  0:22                                     ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-11 18:53                             ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-10 14:57                       ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-10 14:41                     ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-10 23:29                     ` Patrick Lauer
2014-05-11 21:12                       ` hasufell
2014-05-11 22:29                         ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-15  8:58                         ` [gentoo-project] OT - Tinderbox question Sergey Popov
2014-05-15 10:16                           ` Rich Freeman
2014-05-15 11:21                           ` hasufell
2014-05-15 12:54                             ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-15 13:14                               ` hasufell
2014-05-15 13:07                             ` Lars Wendler
2014-05-15 14:23                               ` Matthew Summers
2014-05-15 17:17                             ` Rich Freeman
2014-05-15 20:14                               ` Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
2014-05-16 12:31                               ` Samuli Suominen
2014-05-16 12:36                                 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-05-16 13:01                                 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-16 13:51                                 ` Rich Freeman
2014-05-16 14:36                                   ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-16 15:07                                     ` Rich Freeman
2014-05-16 15:34                                       ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-15 20:10                             ` Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
2014-05-16  8:45                             ` Sergey Popov
2014-05-09 18:28         ` [gentoo-project] Re: Call For Agenda Items - 13 May 2014 Tom Wijsman
2014-05-10  0:28         ` [gentoo-project] Tinderbox and building everything Patrick Lauer
2014-05-10  2:13           ` Rich Freeman
2014-05-10 12:50           ` hasufell
2014-05-10 15:50             ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-10 19:12               ` Pacho Ramos
2014-05-10 23:32                 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-12 20:05                 ` Markos Chandras
2014-05-13 19:31                   ` Pacho Ramos
2014-05-09 18:10       ` [gentoo-project] Re: Call For Agenda Items - 13 May 2014 Samuli Suominen
2014-05-09 18:44         ` Tom Wijsman
2014-05-09 18:21     ` Banning modification of pkg-config files (was: [gentoo-project] Re: Call For Agenda Items - 13 May 2014) Matti Bickel

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