Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-04-08

[Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org>]

On 08/04/14 03:37, Patrick Lauer wrote:
> On Monday 07 April 2014 14:54:43 Samuli Suominen wrote:
>> On 07/04/14 11:26, Patrick Lauer wrote:
>>> On Monday 07 April 2014 11:02:44 Samuli Suominen wrote:
>>>>>> at least as safe kludge to avoid disrespect like this:
>>>>> I wonder if you noticed that I've been a dev since 2004 ...
>>>>>
>>>>> and disrespect, well, you actively work towards breaking things.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even when told, multiple times, that you're breaking things,
>>>>>
>>>>> And that we will revert breakage when detected ...
>>>> What you told was you will impose your personal opinions as policies,
>>>> and you will use the
>>>> QA team membership as a cover to enforce it upon others.
>>> I don't even know what words I could use to change your mind.
>> You can get me to change mind by writing up a policy that says
>> dynamic deps can't be relied upon, and getting rest of the QA
>> team, perhaps council, on board with it.
>>
>> #gentoo-qa, yesterday:
>>
>> 17:50 < floppym> Hmm... documenting when to revbump in relationship to
>> RDEPEND is not a bad idea. However, I think the rules would
>> be a little more subtle than "always". We would also need some way of
>> dealing with eclasses which generate
>> RDEPEND, and also with revbumping stable ebuilds.
>>
> Soo, here's the usecase:
>
> /usr/portage empty except profiles/ (needed for various reasons)
>
> Everything else supplied by binpkgs
>
>
> ... note how there's no way at all ever for your dynamic deps idea to affect 
> the visible packages and updates.
>
> So the only way that has a chance of working, wuarrghl, is to run emerge -e 

Yet, that's exactly why my build host for binpkgs at work is doing. I'm
fine with that.
Far better than making everyone rebuild the packages needlessly.

> world on every friggin update always. So about a CPU-day per build env, or 
> about two CPU-weeks for more comprehensive binpkg collections. 
>
>
> I'd suggest not making life more difficult :)
>