From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3864E1387FD for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2014 18:42:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CC84CE0B76; Mon, 7 Apr 2014 18:42:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 324BCE0B72 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2014 18:42:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mzyb1n0080ldTLk586i7YS; Mon, 07 Apr 2014 18:42:07 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.13] ([50.190.84.14]) by omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id n6i71n00G0JZ7Re016i7q8; Mon, 07 Apr 2014 18:42:07 +0000 Message-ID: <5342F17C.9080301@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 14:42:04 -0400 From: Joshua Kinard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-04-08 References: <53342A5F.70903@gentoo.org> <201404061435.00789.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <53414CD2.4030100@gentoo.org> <53416E80.40605@gentoo.org> <20140406180934.383596d8@gentoo.org> <5341C64E.5080601@gentoo.org> <20140406223318.3e2ac7f9@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <20140406223318.3e2ac7f9@googlemail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1396896127; bh=w2t+KTStkL1cQdjw94buTdhHMdK6zdoEnp610iDh6K0=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=ZqXrXXyN9JRDnmxRJPamb8tSw9xc0Cj1sMQy7jBUr2ltuoFmJR1yknq6yHaPaFB/A 0YPgi3u+CDDAny9LacPTTY8t3Yfta4mvNP7hkk7Yfi5RL/gQmnu4CJADGfTzzFEzAS NjZ2OvpGWo9/zs7/5NnYQus4eBxCkhVai61AY0v1yc0kYz7LqKeqFiqGW1Cf1Hfsud Ttvc/eeD6upRMe6QNBRYiTtY/0EJ/gEtua4aR+8YuBPLrFPZ3UDaAnrMWDANtwkro6 15QfzY989RHg6ALe8Lu2ppIfnQXYjFHo9zJ8wpibBU5ofkSdTeWfkb0YKXSk+c+h7L fRrDiKd+UorGA== X-Archives-Salt: f359ffff-4bd4-4fbd-b5f3-09cd3e2db8dc X-Archives-Hash: e29877ee8b13627ffdb2aee0b5646530 On 04/06/2014 17:33, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 17:25:34 -0400 > Joshua Kinard wrote: >> On 04/06/2014 12:09, Tom Wijsman wrote: >>> On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 18:10:56 +0300 >>> Samuli Suominen wrote: >>> >>>> I agree, new developers shouldn't be allowed in the QA team, there >>>> should be some 5 year limit at least as safe kludge to avoid >>>> disrespect like this: >>> >>> That suggests a correlation between age and respect, similar >>> messages to those that were brought forward can be read from >>> elders; it is more wise to focus on constructive discourse. >> >> Speaking as someone whose been in Gentoo since mid-2003, age != >> respect. Respect is earned, not given simply because one hangs around >> long enough. > > This is a policy violation. Respect must be given whether it is earned > or not. Correct, wrong words chosen on my part. What I meant was, despite however long I've been around, doesn't give me the rights to go off and do whatever I think is right. If I screw something up, I expect someone to point it out and, if needed, rebuke me. While policy states that I have to give respect to others regardless if they've earned it not, I personally feel that I must earn people's respect by working with other developers as team to resolve problems. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS kumba@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between." --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic