From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C5C1387FD for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2014 23:44:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 18680E0B0D; Sun, 30 Mar 2014 23:44:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qg0-f41.google.com (mail-qg0-f41.google.com [209.85.192.41]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86995E0A9A for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2014 23:44:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qg0-f41.google.com with SMTP id i50so728731qgf.14 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2014 16:44:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Zdc+oZsUZGdcmiP1cHld+Q3uX3wwfa18wge7ZBUobng=; b=PVmNwpTrEloxUnWDf9XZ2xrbCcWZQj3yEwr5bEL/CirUCk2+WvHvbnd1uMW6n0MnfN CyQFxzDaYcGoMFiysFdBWtKlMaACC7PtYUB6BW5+IXrLLyH/QgXW3oTgIYYqD5jNUVHN g4zBwD4xuBfG+nZPOYk2mbUZ9VTZwAOLAvYodWfoOG6jPMEdpZKsDRMiKfLOz0Htpx73 497/sSu4iqAXinrm/nB383yUeIKvRK+jxIbP2gNddO5KnJ5Ej0qxlToX4R4xhft4enpL +3u3dadIqD6W8l1a4Uz+yHrYRW3b3IMBAomsBE9V8QTfwMJrb+1sELfLJLMdtwEUhyZr Wz8g== X-Received: by 10.140.43.69 with SMTP id d63mr22708121qga.45.1396223095750; Sun, 30 Mar 2014 16:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.27] (fl-71-53-134-164.dhcp.embarqhsd.net. [71.53.134.164]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b36sm17193347qga.15.2014.03.30.16.44.53 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 30 Mar 2014 16:44:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5338AC74.2070005@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 19:44:52 -0400 From: Douglas James Dunn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-04-08 References: <53342A5F.70903@gentoo.org> <20140330103342.76108bfb@pomiot.lan> <20140330163513.3e4cab1a@googlemail.com> <20140330173143.7b541b00@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: faedab0f-389d-4526-a0a2-e504ec5353a3 X-Archives-Hash: a0c81a7fb3b5089c6d12cce3a1808ec0 On 03/30/2014 12:40 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Ciaran McCreesh > wrote: >> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 12:27:34 -0400 >> Rich Freeman wrote: >>> As soon as you start getting into anything that involves the real >>> world and engineering >> Which isn't the case here, so this whole thing is irrelevant. > What prevents the output of a tool from being used in an engineering > context? In any case, my concern is more with ambiguity (when > software tells me I have 1GB of free space, what does that mean?). I > think GB are more useful than GiB in most cases (though I explicitly > stated in my first proposal that there are situations where this isn't > the case), but I care more about ambiguity. > > Since definitions of units are generally standardized across all > potential uses (do you want a km to be different depending on whether > you're measuring road length, speed, or wavelengths?), it only made > sense for the ISO/etc to pick definitions that were useful in the > broadest sense. > > Rich > The system you are most familiar with really depends on what Operating System you use. if you don't use computers you probably were exposed to either the SI units or imperial base 10 units. Microsoft Windows uses and has historically used the JDEC System, MB, KB, GB in base 2, Macintosh OSX uses SI units, Unix as far as i can rember reading the different different versions of the programmers manual has always stated things in IEC, i assume they just used bits before that? i think IEC came about sometime in the mid 90's