From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E60E41387FD for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:00:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4B8EDE0AC7; Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:00:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A9D0E0AC7 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:00:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.3.7] (cpe-74-77-145-97.buffalo.res.rr.com [74.77.145.97]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: blueness) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C351533FBE0 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:00:00 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <5337F95A.2060808@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 07:00:42 -0400 From: "Anthony G. Basile" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-04-08 References: <53342A5F.70903@gentoo.org> <5336D386.6080609@opensource.dyc.edu> <20140329143634.GA31923@laptop.home> <201403300012.55229.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <20140330003709.GA733@laptop.home> <20140330022034.GA1151@laptop.home> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 5e9a4951-38dd-4ee5-81f6-27c15e94cb6e X-Archives-Hash: 94bde1a6c1e265e3b352643919d83939 On 03/29/2014 10:33 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 10:20 PM, William Hubbs wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 09:35:32PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: >>> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:37 PM, William Hubbs wrote: >>>> Some how we need to focus on getting people to respect each other and >>>> the policies we already have, and quite frankly, if they won't do that, >>>> removing them from the community. >>> Alas, we cannot afford to drive people away any more than we can >>> afford to let them drive others away... >> I agree, I'm just not sure how to make that happen. I don't think though >> that the answer is more policies/red tape. > And neither is ignoring the problem. > > I was just venting my frustration, as are many others. I think that > this is just a really great idea that suffered because of how it was > implemented, and all the subsequent reactions and counter-reactions. > We need to move on, and I think all of us can learn something from > what happened. > > I think your posts were right-on. > > Rich > While implementing a new policy may not be the right approach (or so I'm hearing from the community), I can bring forward at least 3 examples of significant changes that were not discussed. I don't think I would have difficulty convincing people of this fact. If we do not enact policy then how is this problem addressed? As far as "driving people away" I will shift my efforts to recruiting. I am a professor and can get more students into Gentoo development. We cannot adopt a de facto situation where devs can misbehave because they are indispensable. -- Anthony G. Basile, Ph.D. Gentoo Linux Developer [Hardened] E-Mail : blueness@gentoo.org GnuPG FP : 1FED FAD9 D82C 52A5 3BAB DC79 9384 FA6E F52D 4BBA GnuPG ID : F52D4BBA