From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 144821387FD for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2014 13:49:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 51BC1E09FF; Sat, 29 Mar 2014 13:49:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5F4BE09FD for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2014 13:49:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (lumumba.torservers.net [77.247.181.163]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: hasufell) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9857A33FDCF for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2014 13:49:40 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <5336CF6E.9000309@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 13:49:34 +0000 From: hasufell Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-04-08 References: <53342A5F.70903@gentoo.org> <5336C19C.7020608@opensource.dyc.edu> <5336CA1F.1060008@gentoo.org> <5336CAAD.8050008@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <5336CAAD.8050008@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: cfdeeab0-6945-495d-9f29-86a69f042f6b X-Archives-Hash: 276b014adfa6b3006e2b6fa306f58113 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Anthony G. Basile: > On 03/29/2014 09:26 AM, hasufell wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 >> >> Anthony G. Basile: >>> On 03/27/2014 09:40 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> The council will be meeing on April 8, 2014 at 1900 UTC. >>>> Please bring forward any agenda items you would like >>>> discussed. >>>> >>>> --Tony >>>> >>> Okay I'd like to add an agenda item. A policy inspired by bug >>> #506034. >>> >>> Motion: "Significant changes to virtuals are to be discussed >>> (via mailing list or bugzilla) with all the maintainers and/or >>> herds which maintain packages those virtuals depend on." >>> >>> Discussion: "Like eclasses, changes to virtuals can affect all >>> the packages which depend on them. Changing existing >>> virtuals, removing virtuals or adding new ones affect the >>> packages they depend on. When such a change is proposed, all >>> maintainers affected need to be included in the discussion." >>> >> Sounds like any other reverse-dep. If people don't discuss >> non-trivial changes (to whatever part of gentoo), then that needs >> to be fixed, not policies introduced for every single situation >> that arises. > > True, I did think of that, but we do have a policy for eclasses. > With deeper uses of virtuals, it does not hurt to make the > reverse-dep issue explicit. > IMO, eclasses are special since they are not really versioned. Virtuals are regular packages, versioned and with stable and unstable keywords. Unless you really want to apply this policy on _all_ reverse deps. And if people don't follow it, then what? There have been a hundred situations (including eclasses) that were sufficient to say "stop" to some people who regularly do undiscussed, non-trivial changes. Until now, not much has happened about it. I doubt that this policy will change any of that. [sarcasm] But it gives us an impression of progress, at least... and policies seem to be a trend lately. [/sarcasm] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJTNs9uXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQzMDlCNDQ4NjEyNDI4NjA5REVEMDI3MzIy MjBDRDFDNUJERUVEMDIwAAoJECIM0cW97tAgIgIQAORJXH05DUeASzBMKwOkCitN uTJZDy1riMwnjSDKgFanm8QBGIN7fFDpaj2bB/NOwslrJsQ1t++Zfgz+YHoUOIxU ARK0O1yLCqESEX8PBUkSXdx2THRZbZpRiFtZ++Y3tuggHsBd4/AFe1zz5ZDUFE+C ZkMqaXWA60K8rWWFn3i6Rs98KG7VRu1jU5cQ0SQyaW+I0MS1wQ78jo779Hwa/h11 hGRHC0Ojxch+1sVm7YupPtHEY7XAGu5KTzM0AefqzzRl4qYyB7DKrWJ1J05eZmja /A65ViKwf7mb8aMm4tQvQXqtQ4zSvxL6FbU0mvfybwlNgckdl7wHtu52Dqe9/EU9 bc8Lh8AaVydctjTY3duzJGON7467BlP/bmprA/gunRA1EGJuc7M2oSzEtMXjEbZC 2yPqdrCBQHDGBJvf1HnwZWrBAiWXS0BnD8MPL9fk37GL5wSTbF4rHP+KYa0P+H5U OvEtHuRLILojiPKQtcUyD3hKFKvSo6QeGoFUamhGi9sHS55EzctGlNv6i4GACUQr 6yyPBBEbnvyYum8F+p0ip+R2Q/ZTnnTb/xQKQvgXehm6ml2eq6IQ2XuFwAYmn6GQ 8au6O2pY4L+CLG/U0AfzFYwWcpWTIoAlXMMy+tut5t1MS9tc1ZFqunDTIYc5uvPF +imie0+8yeQizwx+KTbJ =J8nI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----