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Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo Code of Conduct
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Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
> Well... Let's put it like this. Sometime a while ago an oldtimer dev attacked a newbie dev on IRC,
basically just because the newbie did his job properly, and this would
have resulted in additional work for the oldtimer. I took the liberty of
telling the old guy to stfu and not interfere. Immediately, several
others, who had not followed the issue at all, started directing
comments at me, telling me I was wrong. To my immense amusement, they
then gave emphasized statements how things should be done, and that was
exactly how the *newbie* did it! Now, I dont care that much anymore.
However, I would suggest... If we do update our code of conduct we
should make one thing very clear in the code of conduct or devrel
guidelines or whatever: Independent of how many thousands of commits on
g-x86 you did or do, Noone in gentoo is irreplaceable enough to justify
gross misbehaviour.

Since I moderate a website I'll add this.  When I volunteered to be a
moderator on the other site, I explained that for me to put my time and
effort in, the same rules apply to EVERYONE.  The same punishment
applies to EVERYONE who breaks the rules.  No preferential treatment for
anyone.  We talked for about 2 hours over the phone on this subject. 
After my explanation, and them seeing the logic to it, I was accepted as
a moderator.

Not to long ago, a important member violated a rule, rather large one at
that, and I took action.  At first, the owner was not happy then I
reminded him of the phone conversation.  Me moderating is a volunteer
position and I'm not paid for it.  If there is going to be double
standards, find someone else.  Double standards only lead to problems. 
Yes, the user was a VIP but the rules apply to the people who own the
site too.  They wouldn't post what that user did.  They know better. 
After the owner settled down a bit and I posted the rule I applied, then
he apologized for his reaction.  I have not been questioned for
enforcing a rule since.

My point is, I been using Gentoo for about 10 years, 2003.  I'm dalek on
the forums.  Yea, I was here when -dev was a sewer of a place and I
wouldn't subscribe much less post anything.  As it is now, -dev is a
MUCH better place to be even tho I rarely post anything.  If you are
going to set up rules and have them enforced, shall I recommend they
apply to everyone in the same way, regardless of what they do or how
long they have been here?  If you are not going to do that, spend your
time on fixing bugs and writing code and let this drop before you waste
time on it.  There won't be any point in going further.

No, I don't want to moderate -dev.  I don't read most things, just the
stuff that as a user I want to see coming around the corner, /usr and
init* and such as that.  I already help on two sites as it is.

Dale

:-)

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    Andreas K. Huettel wrote:<br>
    <span style="white-space: pre;">&gt; Well... Let's put it like this.
      Sometime a while ago an oldtimer dev attacked a newbie dev on IRC,
      basically just because the newbie did his job properly, and this
      would have resulted in additional work for the oldtimer. I took
      the liberty of telling the old guy to stfu and not interfere.
      Immediately, several others, who had not followed the issue at
      all, started directing comments at me, telling me I was wrong. To
      my immense amusement, they then gave emphasized statements how
      things should be done, and that was exactly how the *newbie* did
      it! Now, I dont care that much anymore. However, I would
      suggest... If we do update our code of conduct we should make one
      thing very clear in the code of conduct or devrel guidelines or
      whatever: Independent of how many thousands of commits on g-x86
      you did or do, Noone in gentoo is irreplaceable enough to justify
      gross misbehaviour. </span><br>
    <br>
    Since I moderate a website I'll add this.  When I volunteered to be
    a moderator on the other site, I explained that for me to put my
    time and effort in, the same rules apply to EVERYONE.  The same
    punishment applies to EVERYONE who breaks the rules.  No
    preferential treatment for anyone.  We talked for about 2 hours over
    the phone on this subject.  After my explanation, and them seeing
    the logic to it, I was accepted as a moderator. <br>
    <br>
    Not to long ago, a important member violated a rule, rather large
    one at that, and I took action.  At first, the owner was not happy
    then I reminded him of the phone conversation.  Me moderating is a
    volunteer position and I'm not paid for it.  If there is going to be
    double standards, find someone else.  Double standards only lead to
    problems.  Yes, the user was a VIP but the rules apply to the people
    who own the site too.  They wouldn't post what that user did.  They
    know better.  After the owner settled down a bit and I posted the
    rule I applied, then he apologized for his reaction.  I have not
    been questioned for enforcing a rule since. <br>
    <br>
    My point is, I been using Gentoo for about 10 years, 2003.  I'm
    dalek on the forums.  Yea, I was here when -dev was a sewer of a
    place and I wouldn't subscribe much less post anything.  As it is
    now, -dev is a MUCH better place to be even tho I rarely post
    anything.  If you are going to set up rules and have them enforced,
    shall I recommend they apply to everyone in the same way, regardless
    of what they do or how long they have been here?  If you are not
    going to do that, spend your time on fixing bugs and writing code
    and let this drop before you waste time on it.  There won't be any
    point in going further.<br>
    <br>
    No, I don't want to moderate -dev.  I don't read most things, just
    the stuff that as a user I want to see coming around the corner,
    /usr and init* and such as that.  I already help on two sites as it
    is. <br>
    <br>
    Dale<br>
    <br>
    :-) <br>
    <br>
    -- <br>
    I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you
    understood or how you interpreted my words!<br>
    <br>
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