From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F941381F3 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:02:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E779D21C001 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:02:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7A6021C001 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:30:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (pool-173-77-245-118.nycmny.fios.verizon.net [173.77.245.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ryao) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B916E33D9EB for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:30:24 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <50A24AD0.3060700@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:27:44 -0500 From: Richard Yao User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.10) Gecko/20121107 Thunderbird/10.0.10 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] With regard to udev stabilization References: <50A1B335.2080907@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigA1534B10CDD8F4036652AB00" X-Archives-Salt: 8f82df63-f71d-4062-abb1-335f47465fbe X-Archives-Hash: e3bab4b2a936a59f57433028bcf42189 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigA1534B10CDD8F4036652AB00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I plan to CC him when I make the official project announcement. On 11/13/2012 06:49 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote: > I think we also ought to contact Linus, to have some input on what the > forked-udev (vdev? gdev? nlpdev?) *shouldn't* be. Lest we tread the sam= e > path that led to him calling udev 'stupid'. >=20 > Just my 2 cents. Apologies if it's worthless :-| >=20 > Rgds, > -- > On Nov 13, 2012 4:32 PM, "Markos Chandras" wrote= : >=20 >> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 2:40 AM, Richard Yao wrote: >>> Dear Everyone, >>> >>> It is no secret that many of us are unhappy with the direction that u= dev >>> has taken under the leadership of the systemd developers. That includ= es >>> Linus Torvalds, who is 'leery of the fact that the udev maintenance >>> seems to have gone into some "crazy mode" where they have made change= s >>> that were known to be problematic, and are pure and utter stupidity.'= >>> >>> https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/2/505 >>> >>> After speaking with several other Gentoo developers that share Linus'= >>> concerns, I have decided to form a team to fork udev. Our plan is to >>> eliminate the separate /usr requirement from our fork, among other >>> things. We will announce the project later this week. >>> >>> I understand that the council is scheduled to vote on a topic related= to >>> udev stabilization. Would it be possible to delay the vote for anothe= r >>> month so that we have time to get organized? >>> >>> Yours truly, >>> Richard Yao >>> >> >> Have you tried contacting other distros? They may face the same >> problems with us and they might be interested >> in helping us out. >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2 >> >> >=20 --------------enigA1534B10CDD8F4036652AB00 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJQokrUAAoJECDuEZm+6Exk1lUP/RWc7f7gML26zMwXcilXo7OE RmHBOk9amPgqydz653+OJxE8f7DvFUEDL6iGFKJSyjaMlyHzZJ8w1fTd0btWbAE9 6kO6dYlhc/R0Mz4pDU8pspdilEFBauywlXqw8sBWVqLxNR9BDydRjk6xjxN/tmBu JDc+ylIIfXURqkyM+M60rduUu+lzi3uJjvUJ6OycMJbIn5leQU6ziETDsgjLRK13 zeJDrp26NHkFSR0dWVKcPHAfLR3k5ZBlxZBVCRCk4Bj28JLwA6dwSaQM1ITaO1E4 aI4adnr2v4nUe1eWdtJifAru1oHC2cXi2BlJKkmyk+uNkWUGpZKy+jntlHsSGkMx FwLc9p/vJj7Ojy3nbZSx/LP0rqIxW33FjIVReNsQHh7HN7rAbEVZZM6UQXHl+q6b XyX0KYXbqCkCodJzNV2pe+v+eYU+SFayw7VA6jNYhPI20rICNPuztvyhH6AEy3i+ wyYcGcQxkSBf/2mN9w67hq6l7h1wyqKCQB/CaTQIVMGaJbWAEO7ptnkcFuo9qajF jkWV72tgZ6EKM8a4t82MVGgIRNcx43VsyGWDjcINgD350iFb9skbGgKDlMWlhPZS MdzBlUJtiYAjcw/zC4hNzLYeYsOLxOw+4ypCBjYEG0Dg6CPrEkq6mgN3hpY7BIWA bv63K7266V6JEgrwNsSf =SSNy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigA1534B10CDD8F4036652AB00--