From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E515139694 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 21:44:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 07067E08DB; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 21:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88D5AE084E for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 21:44:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.6.88] ([212.159.46.162]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue002 [212.227.15.163]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LisgQ-1e2oIy3Mx4-00dGV5 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 23:44:31 +0200 Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] The problem of defunct and undermanned projects in Gentoo To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <1500239562.11529.1.camel@gentoo.org> <20170719075622.293bff90@katipo2.lan> <20170719092317.7ba9beee@katipo2.lan> <6b7c14b1-1af6-4f10-a88b-4a02bd90705b@iee.org> <1500414026.1530.2.camel@gentoo.org> From: "M. 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Everitt" Message-ID: <4ced4240-f14b-d37d-eb84-c9dc4ef583dd@iee.org> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 22:44:17 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1500414026.1530.2.camel@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DDskAqAWirKGdpI9G9KiSIFXnLh1OGvwC" X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:qCT8G13Nu3fVLLIJuAujlkKcMoLKjE77iuFMyzNZcOftNb01cB1 Iy8sJb/6RrEmTKmoH5VxVZJ4rohdljugwRSEhNY5UyQz8vHs38BI6781sN1Rs0DDSWyOR08 7Yi1ejDruc8hAtFGfD+G+LNYVaSrRUxqJ2m3B6GXlXlvDbzpKar9wjgUcCebgjW3XBNFHay LVWMH1szH37dh6uNT5Iyg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:9ZY2jOYO6O4=:kXcgQUiwnZ4hhLD4WkBhjV 2r+LxjGAHNn1rlZAdF2mBqvboIbyy7IOVsZi/eNUfW0hfSOrApZ7WEXOfNooUR4G62Rgn6f8B 4edwMhnyArwJcn239MMbvB8kxc/8/FNMzVtpmDkO3R7p0iJMlhJuhhU3dZG3hKKFw7yANL3wN PUB12uyuzYkN4lFUruBjRzAxnZy3DSU8qZzS3598kH+39dN7oCFAKL7AeUnybYzAqCIdiaB6D skiA9OXcLA8yz633s4vmpwtiYhlmLCz9bZA2ldvowjC+qnMWGF4cFrpnNtLaUHm60ZTZW0RRC he3Tk8fWSswt6GSrNHVQTuwsAOfvL2no+db0bWdR53R+w621MNOx1QmBV0L6xQruXbW1UM46G plhZ1wOjje/DRNOWfkoIiioASdbwpfx6lL/qk4HSmzaCFXBpsSpoFPdhvlP9qiqGg7s52v3Te u+R3tkiDs5ROYnevZnFmix4VH4bc4XdAZ3Iz67wEKltPRMjFh+lRy45CFtfpUoWbURgk4fZPa NDer+ezqwthIIOZoYmhvAYvZ6EP3d4GDYvBm0+fPeAhYl7fHpugEhfuSt0IwrM9bpu4BFuLf2 p1V0eKqS9QC7zgIMJpi9DhspYr2Fh+XmX41b70fm+eYH0t6SiZlYSPHFZnz6q7PlgXAeqtMPP tLL5tty7PcZuskfO2xYS1Md2vrRed1khV5UUdvcehArDFBKv4XS6Rr4alvbo/VtICHh0oHeRP Qxz8jNB5hN8q10kjTk9fiOW7JA/3exIjMObW0Q== X-Archives-Salt: 93784869-7b50-4149-afae-a0c0f4bc6be8 X-Archives-Hash: 17fe9a8115daa420a7ea41e4e5d69d62 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --DDskAqAWirKGdpI9G9KiSIFXnLh1OGvwC Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="nGCK0R51llhMsp1qcMfbFqslTpMJ46epF"; protected-headers="v1" From: "M. J. Everitt" To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <4ced4240-f14b-d37d-eb84-c9dc4ef583dd@iee.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] The problem of defunct and undermanned projects in Gentoo References: <1500239562.11529.1.camel@gentoo.org> <20170719075622.293bff90@katipo2.lan> <20170719092317.7ba9beee@katipo2.lan> <6b7c14b1-1af6-4f10-a88b-4a02bd90705b@iee.org> <1500414026.1530.2.camel@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <1500414026.1530.2.camel@gentoo.org> --nGCK0R51llhMsp1qcMfbFqslTpMJ46epF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 18/07/17 22:40, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > On wto, 2017-07-18 at 22:35 +0100, M. J. Everitt wrote: >> On 18/07/17 22:23, Kent Fredric wrote: >>> On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 22:12:45 +0100 >>> "M. J. Everitt" wrote: >>> >>>> I think mgorny was doing some general commit stats, and I have yet t= o >>>> compile my own, but it would be very interesting to see how many >>>> 'active' team members there were in any given project. I suspect the= >>>> results could be very telling ... >>> Its not even like they're "inactive", they're just not active *in the= team*. >>> >>> For some, there's no reason for them to devaway:=20 >>> >>> - They're on IRC >>> - They commit daily >>> >>> But they're on teams they seldom do things in. >>> >>> This is probably more true the more teams you're on. >> Then why are you 'in' the team.. I mean, there's one thing to idle on = an >> IRC channel, but membership does normally imply some form of >> contribution, no? Or is it just to make you 'look' >> interested/popular/part-of-the-furniture .... > Well, that *is* a problem. However, we are supposed to be friendly > and nice, and not tell other developers that they have done literally > nothing during the 2 years they're part of some project. That could > discourage them from contributing. > > You are also not supposed to try to offload yourself and distribute > the work to them. That's bossing around, and it discourages others from= > actually doing anything. > > So, well, you're just supposed to smile and thank them for doing nothin= g > for the project because otherwise they could feel offended > and discouraged from doing anything, > Very diplomatically put ... *takes hat off* ... --nGCK0R51llhMsp1qcMfbFqslTpMJ46epF-- --DDskAqAWirKGdpI9G9KiSIFXnLh1OGvwC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJIBAEBCAAyFiEERR5DB4J2baXtk4AVu81GK0wzHTUFAllugTEUHG0uai5ldmVy aXR0QGllZS5vcmcACgkQu81GK0wzHTWN0A/9GIT1p5TroWfuaWx7Aeq8j7Jf6Ten C5dj0oxNWZ13loY0VuqvgFk0MYKB4qJxTFe2/zeO+PUkHr8v2yAyEuNLQs82nMqP Z3L0NLeYBq5mZ7EVjMWw+U6xMave0U5ZMrlXae/jeOV2m1NyUS6RxXRmnQdOgHfW iPs2XJbjtUMMiBAkR6bFFw6fMyuEe09jRkW90O5fYUZl2pZLmu5YNn0P14XhLHHN Y7Csp1bhHIXhgv4zqNiSPyCN+IuUo+jqKRNxT/qepTTuj4OjqBNDPuS+b/Xc5V3+ FY6HsSqkez7F4Vyvtdw87pzPnzDHJESvfH1yh702Nb8zQomziBidpqfaEnXK+eu7 +rsgCIbgGWgnu6ENtVgOMN+C8WJoHfhQuT85IOpC+MAwXYZqozW/Xzj5vBbYhvtu v65kD9Kupm4iQTRfNNy9y26qC1Fu57e/4k+fPkHBc/xfS9rFupudj27oIOpsdCHV qiR7JMCyUdwVK6aqHqbK8AXXvkE9o2TGS2zB7JHrg617oBigv6CWIul4q/qzs/0o XrZqHmqFxJGegwL759IYydVkZOxGl/BG1gYirqRIAL3/ksq7n1LS3nU9ZIjW7XnF uVwW5GjnIVbhEJPKtcrutyfn0hEy/kA5wETUG33LFomZtU9HKncK1biLfdObaL+d FOS+GYh65yBS+2w= =Ql/d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DDskAqAWirKGdpI9G9KiSIFXnLh1OGvwC--