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Sun, 16 Jun 2019 18:51:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Bringing new people To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <20190615124220.fcf0c08b22481d5bc6c2dbe0@gentoo.org> <20190615132415.624ad287e60f3c3eabfe1891@gentoo.org> From: Mikle Kolyada Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=zlogene@gentoo.org; keydata= mQENBFtCkdwBCAC7LGb65KM8ZhysEDzbBnggTsUMXMZ3pJWFQtLaxm8f99p2HL9GFcEP94A6 BXExWzMcIba/AdL0ogU2mS/Jbs7DHUFVRT3yQDtiq+md5h3hZvi52QyRlELWG9ElDLuUse5E 58WJgLx+SXD5qgUowqTgCzNbXAJQNKQtNWIC+Zy29m53Xj8yBnRsRuwd0kO/Zn7DJL5dCKL2 ItzfJNpG5MTayLyNkl3QgCqPPFsQEd7aqqqhxq1pn/dwX22vyMJwsv/6SV5vaNTYSg9p8hVn r3mLVYg6/UIvwAIgNJKhQlG1bkoOq5+jgq8a7GdRUeY8fHSqLERucmal8fBqWmvZH+jRABEB AAG0Ik1pa2xlIEtvbHlhZGEgPHpsb2dlbmVAZ2VudG9vLm9yZz6JAVQEEwEIAD4CGwMFCwkI BwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AWIQRRPEwdu6XuhrjZQ70+fhwhqdFLlwUCW2fApgUJBEPe ygAKCRA+fhwhqdFLl7CeB/9qYF51wrMuzpLW/znrH0YZmYo9pm7kmLxbWezJH74hH97rJOer X+RoNR0nAGrBdZzObiHWhXah5BFrln8Fyv8oE5IDnO9OCN+PE8hXSSSYv6VvtNX6FXgMaqvR XC5kd1/ugvpPmwbbfTp0uasRATjlsXSfb7FAMLAcP2lYbv1dFA2mUHNCtFtIg7Zu+KJTXyeN wPEXrMtgt4j3zL96Drq1AOxkR5D5pPYnzJG+xrOpRoarXVjCI6MsYYKd+E6WRQPIgkeY4mxK FBK3sSNQMAY+FNiWNK3G4529zCLzekv4KQHDSRnfOhfevOogiUCnNUWl9pRDI7uRfSjP0JZw wLi2uQENBFtCkiQBCACkXeNeajg+f6XKDGJOHnxMs3PUeaaqx36wRkevzWjY20VwzSYOq2zn dXP/9Sz7mrJc2aQRXSAfbSeJvsInG/jyBI3vz2Lm6pRx3FkzHatjli5lEhtM6CQIpfZ9Rp18 YiJfrjnah/3UesBekbBOouxQv6188z/Hdilot6opvh1rd1sBE7ugB9w7E11e92bRLfuzCxa/ gKEu2CnH38zq5PQUvFVxRYuKeVXDaSFZc9IFNuysTW5EZOaowL6weeYFktChmvOR/WlSWBIk mrqRSwqJWoj0w2VDt/pzAE0RtQ1gztMcpzKOLSfyPrgP33UAb7VY/fjOwoggqFS0v3dEgj/z ABEBAAGJAnIEGAEIACYCGwIWIQRRPEwdu6XuhrjZQ70+fhwhqdFLlwUCXKDZ9gUJAz97UgFA wHQgBBkBCAAdFiEEWmyBGnI+Eihw6dN8HICQJIqVl8cFAltCkiQACgkQHICQJIqVl8fQzAf/ d9upIp1pgsBC8ie8fwN6mVMiE/u44LimyWBm/G813a0utxYIG10oBGQojq0LuOaLRBm/dvZz wl7ptDwIOubrvAXy6uGY0SOu+e05sKS730Pm5AoRsBx2UDdBIng3Xl/96FlIS8jDLDYgYh0F TXoKb6TNobWJD8caaFS1GC/iDil8AaFZcTPLtPtdDpC2rdQzOHfloVjDk93CZDUEGb/OXSfO nNk93mfXOoCu2Qmwb+bKOeavUPf5+yNiPFzz1/ktnuGXZrgsojRU2m+piyD3zWxisLuDLqP8 GSqYpNpt1JyRTXX6+FqOcGpFv/dineOJXFJaRXwVs0z3IwXYr394awkQPn4cIanRS5fgsAf8 DUKEr7K4tEEXbxKFgpq5P05jKWaQcFSHZN2WG18f89ARJABgAk5APTRD+UvJv9xcy5i8rhvW VJ6JPkYtjxP9r4wQKA7qVpS0ni6DEfweDtcUrIjZu7vdevUNdu4zBv97gK7hyCuy7f3FETPX AsD/99hHMJcKSjeJ/zJ84g/W7BhjZZUp+ZmpC1BdLiU3ZJEHSUBtbBasJDRIvxWqAu95AAfr rdqSDcthe/eIGcBUgrfLD3PESQfO/Q74nuWinsgIGCvO8LB7kc0pWAtTHhraPLyLq+XqvVMK /RoW4g/4pO4d2G3Xt/gSKnLcWtPbd654HUnSi28y/Am3Nx5jfVi68LkBDQRbQpP0AQgAroTc ZKog9QT3rYF6PDWRVk1MBsJgDM5Xl2amZqP5TVOEwXgQNu6f5rwsfANRqCdsSfhn3odYmPWo Yy1hRCFZeXcDEc6l5tG5JRGt9SIxrCFPsfnfpY2h5ll9ycxiveKf3g+xUO72UEtDY979W0LZ 2/xxDOaWd5XGKt+Dmncsx4vMktCi54a4M3JWnLJqfx5nP7gIWXNqzqEEUFIZ2NbJFpPu89jb zglVcgfpWVqDirnOk17wh1C15YFkZHlek+ErwbsfS2hGESqpJRu5q3MatYWYvVwGgCkdtORw WguVKdBS3sOEo+IFIsckglnR3lq+ElXje6vVFqpcJAB0K9AMMQARAQABiQE8BBgBCAAmAhsM FiEEUTxMHbul7oa42UO9Pn4cIanRS5cFAlyg2fYFCQM/eYIACgkQPn4cIanRS5ex0gf6AhBQ F9t918l4l+q+mHzyeaWNO6E3neh2Ibv2FEyR84RXU5+4hXKIkKvWdpaX+PEre8tTAu0fvQF5 ivtc0mpx74SqkUR+g8u8mVY8JzsmiWwCu/Adx+nEzwo1XkzzwiThKnIGwieaulT7N77otTHE g2wdeIr4Epn6/ro5y/QPEbvjoJAfw/ByyVadH1pA4HNbvBwC04xfCpbF4QSDqLZXSY8PX7Je UfN4m3VjKoxrYHYox0B/l7F1GMV7xhXBy2/uP17InEG4ezswr0yIbNrGQrpvBtuDC3sBQUmZ 0ZvJVRUFFXGoDfLcqDP4gK24UnddF8OSKKStbk8ueP3o96xDsQ== Message-ID: <4ab64a37-fbc0-f56f-1c34-68bebc0a8c06@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 21:51:36 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190615132415.624ad287e60f3c3eabfe1891@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gog3JmJ4fuFpdFIc4Vsg9zOg3tVpcadPE" X-Archives-Salt: 543eb766-fa1a-46ae-9ee9-e2ef8b937e50 X-Archives-Hash: 1459742344c24eeaee7dbcac1d9e79cd This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --gog3JmJ4fuFpdFIc4Vsg9zOg3tVpcadPE Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="vm0RJChBBKqvneOUgOOjhpqgVy8giYoeT"; protected-headers="v1" From: Mikle Kolyada To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <4ab64a37-fbc0-f56f-1c34-68bebc0a8c06@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Bringing new people References: <20190615124220.fcf0c08b22481d5bc6c2dbe0@gentoo.org> <20190615132415.624ad287e60f3c3eabfe1891@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <20190615132415.624ad287e60f3c3eabfe1891@gentoo.org> --vm0RJChBBKqvneOUgOOjhpqgVy8giYoeT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US On 15.06.2019 13:24, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 12:42:20 +0300 Andrew Savchenko wrote: >> Hi all! >> >> Last year we had a good initiative: it addition to (or even instead >> of) manifests nominees were asked questions by voters. So let's >> continue this year. >> >> I propose to have one question per thread spawned by this e-mail to >> keep discussion focused. If you have multiple questions, please >> start multiple threads. If your question was already asked, please >> join a thread. >> >> I'll ask my questions in subsequent e-mails. > As almost any FOSS project Gentoo suffers from lack of manpower in > various areas. While there are technical ways to amend this like > automation improvements I'd like to focus on bringing new people. > > Life changes, some developers eventually quit; number of packages > is growing (not only in Gentoo, but world-wide), their complexity > grows. All this requires new developers. > > How do you propose to bring new people to our team? What as the > Council member you can do? This does not depend on council directly, but I think we must improve existing polices and procedures, some people who I would like to see amongst devs tell me that they are literally afraid to start the process because we have lots of things to learn and some of them are poorly described. I also think that publicity is a must (conferences/talks/etc), this usually helps new people to get their questions answered therefore they are more interested to be involved. > What do you think on current entrance threshold? The threshold corresponds 1:1 to the current situation in the distro (I mean polices demands and general developers qualification), generally this is not really difficult to become a developer, especially if you have a good mentor (as a recruiter I can firmly claim that the good mentor is the 60% of success), enthusiasm and free time. > What about contributions by non-developers? Should we focus on e.g. > encouraging proxied maintainers to become developers or should we > grow out of the tree contributions without git tree access I'd say being a proxied maintainer is more time consuming deal than the whole process of becoming a developer. Also once you became a dev you have much more freedom to help the distro, so yes. > > Best regards, > Andrew Savchenko --vm0RJChBBKqvneOUgOOjhpqgVy8giYoeT-- --gog3JmJ4fuFpdFIc4Vsg9zOg3tVpcadPE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEWmyBGnI+Eihw6dN8HICQJIqVl8cFAl0Gj8MACgkQHICQJIqV l8fN/gf/fvp1hLcfRd9jbU6sgAIVHx0hbmNshjL74nn2lXtnSGnnNcOhv/5em8dX BCLXX2sAFuU0IT/D4+hLN6f1mF7OzyZHcJExl24ynon0Mxi84I5KRLFSLtDPpqLX lVP4tQJWqIed5PRfgsT38UyW5eX41kGVfhxbl5xqmVbGwyLKoWgM4XJs+Zj0CwPv yDNd1yZpSVeyFxbNT6gmqL5ULUDKM8RrJGt3tpbY64DsXwEJcvrJaXTsO388alDI RhLelF9M32A845Ezlb1s/+6KUGC660neUJ6sANG3mWHhCY/lLyXGzwSqPptOnaab iT2i8vsf0DlPFkgDv54+KzRAUpK9Fg== =Mw5Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gog3JmJ4fuFpdFIc4Vsg9zOg3tVpcadPE--