From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RXO8c-0003Xe-Qy for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2011 02:18:39 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 45BE721C028; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 02:18:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2659421C027 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 02:18:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.222] (unknown [58.246.134.210]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: patrick) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EEF7B1B4015 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 02:18:11 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4EDC29DE.3000905@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 10:18:06 +0800 From: Patrick Lauer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for agenda items -- Council meeting 2011-12-13 References: <20111203103024.GN37825@gentoo.org> <4EDB80F8.1090800@gentoo.org> <20111204152254.GE780@gentoo.org> <4EDB94E2.8090007@gentoo.org> <4EDB9F31.9020601@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <4EDB9F31.9020601@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 4737d1f5-38c3-497a-abe2-4fc167fcf25d X-Archives-Hash: 851310ba6236ffb282f899073c18855c On 12/05/11 00:26, Markos Chandras wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > On 12/04/2011 03:42 PM, Thomas Sachau wrote: >> Fabian Groffen schrieb: >>> Ok, you mean the --quiet-build=y default that most recent Portage >>> uses, right? Also known to some as the parallel build output. >> Yes > I agree that the decision was made too fast but reverting seems like a > joke to me. People will think that we are making fun of them by > changing the defaults all the time. Imho it is too late to go back. Great, so if I just patch stuff I can also claim that now it's too late to revert? That's a nice non-sequitur :) > >> If this does not get reverted and if it gets accepted to be the >> default, i would request a news item, when it goes into a stable >> version of portage, since a good amount of people wondered, why the >> portage output changed (default for --quiet-build was changed), why >> it was done and how they could change that behaviour. >> > I certainly agree with that. People keep wondering why portage is so > quiet. And spend much more time trying to find them silly logfiles now that we hide the output. I really enjoy having to fix yet another bad default everywhere just so I see *why* things fail ... > > In any case I believe the council should discuss these problems in the > upcoming meeting > Ack.