From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Qsewe-0002q3-VJ for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 17:57:57 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 048BD21C33F; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 17:57:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E0121C339 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 17:54:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (dslb-084-058-176-005.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.58.176.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: patrick) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3D73A67980 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 17:54:53 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4E480BE4.80907@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 19:54:44 +0200 From: Patrick Lauer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110720 Thunderbird/5.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Council appointed leaders for QA and DevRel References: <4E47AC51.3030201@gentoo.org> <4E47BC79.3000402@gentoo.org> <4E47BE6C.4070109@gentoo.org> <4E47C886.3020602@gentoo.org> <4E47CFE7.7050207@gentoo.org> <4E47F2A6.6090404@gentoo.org> <4E47F5A4.4000305@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <4E47F5A4.4000305@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 87081706a49480da78b47041a2859aec On 08/14/11 18:19, Markos Chandras wrote: [snip] > This goes a bit OT, but if a project is dead the council MUST find a > solution to that problem. How do you think council will magically do that? You're saying "this group of a few devs will do magic that fixes problems" I think that's a very misguided idea, what should happen is that *everyone* gets more involved. Which means ... - blog more so people know what you are doing - recruit people so there are less "single points of failure" - you going on vacation should not stop all progress on KDE - figure out problem areas and make them prettier, even if that's not as much fun. I resurrected a few packages that were neglected, and suddenly users popped up to take care of them. And were immediately recruited :) - lead by example. Want package signing? Figure out prior discussion, provide constructive criticism and then prepare everything so people just have to agree to it > Creating activity is not the only solution. It's the only one with relevant results ;) Take care, Patrick