From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QogMg-0006rN-Nb for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 18:40:22 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 96CEBE04C1; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:40:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f41.google.com (mail-ww0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B40E0441 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:40:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwj26 with SMTP id 26so372216wwj.4 for ; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 11:40:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=WRyaM6FpvZwQalqn67wSzBLSJpMoKkfCHeoRUChlzo4=; b=mjd4qHUmdPJ7PpI/U9GzeAr5SXDwEHnxFgXoIVTljAw5mgEj2+nizIuTwlmTGmtXpD 5mfZNmzYLdk7021x1TGFJ9/2g/WCDC8FbBooSR7C7LXbbGR8ix1Y33UmNiG1VeDEOeHP hO7heMgFcCq3rys/Ab++v6hyfj1Y2FWO+ISK8= Received: by 10.227.55.133 with SMTP id u5mr1719792wbg.13.1312396802761; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 11:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.88.185.147] (wh147a.halls.manchester.ac.uk [130.88.185.147]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fr7sm884179wbb.56.2011.08.03.11.40.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 03 Aug 2011 11:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Markos Chandras Message-ID: <4E3995EA.9060800@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 19:39:38 +0100 From: Markos Chandras User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110721 Thunderbird/5.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev] ChangeLog generation - pros and cons (council discussion request) References: <20110602091338.GL14065@gentoo.org> <20110801201623.GX20656@gentoo.org> <20110803174310.GB2924@comet.ucsd.edu> <20110803175650.GN20656@gentoo.org> <4E39906F.8070300@gentoo.org> <20110803183040.GO20656@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <20110803183040.GO20656@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.2pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: b895ba777af5da45f5eeca3588572a6a -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 08/03/2011 07:30 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote: > On 03-08-2011 19:16:15 +0100, Markos Chandras wrote: >>> I listed the questions I think are relevant at the bottom of my >>> mail. I feel you forgot the most important one: should ChangeLogs >>> be auto-generated at all?. Only if yes, >> >> I am a bit confused. I though that the previous council had >> already approved the automated changelog generation[1] >> >> [1]: >> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20110608-summary.txt > >> > The above link references the original thread on auto-generation of > ChangeLogs, but it doesn't decide on anything at all about it. The > discussion was mainly focussed on policies and temporary > workarounds. > > The topic as it is presented in the original thread is about what > choices to make when generating, which greatly influences the efforts > it needs to be implemented. > What I meant was that the previous council already approved auto-generation as a concept without providing a permanent solution. Therefore, your implicit question "should ChangeLogs be auto-generated at all?" confused me. > I hope it will allow us to perhaps even start auto-generating > ChangeLogs today, that is, right now, and not just only when we > switch to the next VCS. > Agreed. It is completely unacceptable to postpone this even further until git arrives in 20XX ( 12