From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <gentoo-project+bounces-9168-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org> Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6091138350 for <garchives@archives.gentoo.org>; Fri, 21 Feb 2020 09:19:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AF9EFE08D6; Fri, 21 Feb 2020 09:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B533E08D4 for <gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 21 Feb 2020 09:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiot (c142-245.icpnet.pl [85.221.142.245]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5BCDD34EED4; Fri, 21 Feb 2020 09:19:16 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <441737a3d1c0efdfc9f95b1cb1fde47b0f55d58f.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] rfc: comrel changes From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_G=C3=B3rny?= <mgorny@gentoo.org> To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Cc: comrel@gentoo.org Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 10:19:11 +0100 In-Reply-To: <a790a19a-dc24-ea98-3737-6197a5c80397@gentoo.org> References: <20200217161812.GA5969@linux1.home> <CAAr7Pr8VCP5SCzogCpGbckZva30cUeEK_6YiqGJ_Wxb5vQRCjg@mail.gmail.com> <a790a19a-dc24-ea98-3737-6197a5c80397@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-fuwMuH6js/YHMK9dT/A+" User-Agent: Evolution 3.32.5 Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-project+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-project+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-project+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list <gentoo-project.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Archives-Salt: 14facf80-4efe-4b8b-89e0-7ddf36f20a97 X-Archives-Hash: 3eca9ed8fdee3a8c5a00d6ee784117e9 --=-fuwMuH6js/YHMK9dT/A+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2020-02-20 at 22:24 +0100, Ch=C3=AD-Thanh Christopher Nguy=E1=BB=85= n wrote: > Alec Warner schrieb: >=20 > > I'm a little bit concerned that this addresses the symptoms instead of = the problem. Have you shared your concerns with comrel regarding their lac= k of timely communication on reported issues? Do they even share the same = goals you enumerated? > >=20 > > My strawperson argument is that: > > - (0) The council will elect some lead. > > - The lead will never write reports (or write them but stop.) > > - The lead will get removed per policy. > > - Council will elect a new lead. > > - GOTO 0 >=20 > My suggestion is in that case of missed report deadline, Council asks for= =20 > volunteers from the developer community to step up, and appoints two of t= hem=20 > to go through ComRel records and produce the transparency report. >=20 > Regular independent review of ComRel activity is what NeddySeagoon and I= =20 > originally suggested and discussed with ComRel a while back. But they see= med=20 > completely against it, so we eventually dropped it. >=20 All things considered, maybe creating a separate 'revision' group would be better, independently of the reports. Either split ComRel in two, or appoint something independent. Let 'core' ComRel do their work, while the 'revision' group merely monitor their activities without getting directly involved in the process. --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --=-fuwMuH6js/YHMK9dT/A+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGTBAABCgB9FiEEx2qEUJQJjSjMiybFY5ra4jKeJA4FAl5PoJBfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldEM3 NkE4NDUwOTQwOThEMjhDQzhCMjZDNTYzOUFEQUUyMzI5RTI0MEUACgkQY5ra4jKe JA6phwf7BlGutbxRQxVXlzl8wI9xwYfX6y448GFe1BjIok9Ke+Fz1GzpG4M9lGem FYiq9EN4c9BdP1YRpgWEzXMSpq1cCzGug/FMSQhjbwHI661ixlsBQzDUyatpyMVi 1TGuvG728U5HMAKHN4xmryz2PTHqlMJr2aTQZmzYe46bDl7wO6XB9A/LQq1WvN9e DUKWCs4dc4iINyxSPJ/CxUATZu0aZA5mxMcRGDnuZw73Iqls5GHfEDtTb2pebxgn w0Yi++xvZpEKcYBZytb8a0641vPqoSk866lCapFoYnbfmkO8WCv8MLZ98MlhYaBm Qs3SlAyzJ9+FYkOqX9qDD/jLBfxn/A== =myim -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-fuwMuH6js/YHMK9dT/A+--