From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-project+bounces-228-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1JEm0J-0003IE-Nb for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:38:59 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DB9AEE005A; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:38:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.230]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA76E005A for <gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org>; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:38:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c49so764728wra.1 for <gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org>; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:38:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=pLgwGOk88vElSb4N7jrRmD9oxbHkHznJ5ODkx7sGwn4=; b=Ofu00Smq/07Awydnnv4kwT47ApYnFxi7tnyunp/3ibLIa1u9FG0ff8GXJLUreMNR7wPAo0/DmEK/cNKxmeV6u1wxblvDpGg7pyngCZZE5yiMHTstL0iVDPdpTL4HW2oRGIfdTpFG2SRP94H1oulERb0n4+45K5pZzDft5xICsn8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KwiEuXXyVvmh8s1Rgth01+Ujs4g+N1SCM7onJ+oLoDTQF/T6Q4taBlmLApf4Dlspd31pe70sMFQiUNwzmsC7hqa1JoNhEBg9r6pfMLso0ZhVevLcKawc23LlClz7sxW3xsI4zrQJmJjfATzpDGnuXI3Ls6haPbCKVdkVZ2w6NmA= Received: by 10.150.216.8 with SMTP id o8mr2969795ybg.68.1200404337379; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:38:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.124.6 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:38:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <42ebd5dc0801150538oee57010g5947baee582b56fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:38:57 +0100 From: "Dominik Riva" <slalomsk8er@gmail.com> To: "Wulf C. Krueger" <philantrop@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] A proposal to get out of this mess Cc: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <20080115141517.79027d1wf1obnkg8@www2.mailstation.de> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-project+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-project+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-project+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list <gentoo-project.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <42ebd5dc0801141711m30bc22bv2721d86d81ae4990@mail.gmail.com> <478C7044.2070402@gmail.com> <42ebd5dc0801150131rd5d6134sbbb8bfa2bdc2c9bf@mail.gmail.com> <478C8596.80005@gmail.com> <42ebd5dc0801150329g785478a5h7c95500d1de1dda6@mail.gmail.com> <20080115125109.13145wo79hytzfis@www2.mailstation.de> <42ebd5dc0801150505y4a355a7cx59d5ae178926d8f2@mail.gmail.com> <20080115141517.79027d1wf1obnkg8@www2.mailstation.de> X-Archives-Salt: 634bd622-2d58-49d7-b406-b20632e8ee2e X-Archives-Hash: e62aeec0fbd1471395b066af91129ec9 On Jan 15, 2008 2:15 PM, Wulf C. Krueger <philantrop@gentoo.org> wrote: > Please explain why I should care about the Gentoo Foundation in your opinion. Maybe because it is a the part of Gentoo was designed to holds Gentoo's assets? Things like the logo, servers, name, ... oh and don't forget the money - all rather unimportant things, right? > > I can understand that this angers the community and drobbins, as it > > angers me too. > > I don't. I *do* care about our users, about my ebuilds and the > technical side of things. I do *not* care about a foundation that's > supposed to be an IP container. Why do you not care about the assets of Gentoo? > > But I think that some drastic actions must be taken, > > Why? To appease the mob? What horrible, catastrophic thing has > happened? Please explain that. I honestly don't see it. > > > maybe exactly because the bandwagon with the angry mob on it. > > Drastic measures because some people loudly claim the end of the world > is coming? No, thank you. This is all about politics and it is a shame the developers have to care at all about it. It is about opinions, actions, the missing actions and there consequences. And even worst it is about what could happen if. Some thing that you can NOT code, test and trow away if it leads to some outcome that is bad, ugly, catastrophic - it is to late by then. > >> The ebuilds keep coming, we're basically doing "business" as usual and > >> that should be enough, I'd say. > > Sure, all is fine in the land of Gentoo - problems are for people that > > have nothing better to do :( > > Name those problem, please. I'll gladly try to address them if I can. That is exactly why I started the wiki page - to name the problems, give info about them and even give you a head start by offering some possible fixes. Regards, Dominik Riva -- gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org mailing list