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Wed, 19 Jun 2019 06:24:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Gentoo as hobbyist distro To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <20190615124220.fcf0c08b22481d5bc6c2dbe0@gentoo.org> <b7200fbcc9f0f34df3e4c10e254fd9c4e3806d5e.camel@gentoo.org> From: Mikle Kolyada <zlogene@gentoo.org> Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=zlogene@gentoo.org; keydata= mQENBFtCkdwBCAC7LGb65KM8ZhysEDzbBnggTsUMXMZ3pJWFQtLaxm8f99p2HL9GFcEP94A6 BXExWzMcIba/AdL0ogU2mS/Jbs7DHUFVRT3yQDtiq+md5h3hZvi52QyRlELWG9ElDLuUse5E 58WJgLx+SXD5qgUowqTgCzNbXAJQNKQtNWIC+Zy29m53Xj8yBnRsRuwd0kO/Zn7DJL5dCKL2 ItzfJNpG5MTayLyNkl3QgCqPPFsQEd7aqqqhxq1pn/dwX22vyMJwsv/6SV5vaNTYSg9p8hVn r3mLVYg6/UIvwAIgNJKhQlG1bkoOq5+jgq8a7GdRUeY8fHSqLERucmal8fBqWmvZH+jRABEB AAG0Ik1pa2xlIEtvbHlhZGEgPHpsb2dlbmVAZ2VudG9vLm9yZz6JAVQEEwEIAD4CGwMFCwkI BwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AWIQRRPEwdu6XuhrjZQ70+fhwhqdFLlwUCW2fApgUJBEPe ygAKCRA+fhwhqdFLl7CeB/9qYF51wrMuzpLW/znrH0YZmYo9pm7kmLxbWezJH74hH97rJOer X+RoNR0nAGrBdZzObiHWhXah5BFrln8Fyv8oE5IDnO9OCN+PE8hXSSSYv6VvtNX6FXgMaqvR XC5kd1/ugvpPmwbbfTp0uasRATjlsXSfb7FAMLAcP2lYbv1dFA2mUHNCtFtIg7Zu+KJTXyeN wPEXrMtgt4j3zL96Drq1AOxkR5D5pPYnzJG+xrOpRoarXVjCI6MsYYKd+E6WRQPIgkeY4mxK FBK3sSNQMAY+FNiWNK3G4529zCLzekv4KQHDSRnfOhfevOogiUCnNUWl9pRDI7uRfSjP0JZw wLi2uQENBFtCkiQBCACkXeNeajg+f6XKDGJOHnxMs3PUeaaqx36wRkevzWjY20VwzSYOq2zn dXP/9Sz7mrJc2aQRXSAfbSeJvsInG/jyBI3vz2Lm6pRx3FkzHatjli5lEhtM6CQIpfZ9Rp18 YiJfrjnah/3UesBekbBOouxQv6188z/Hdilot6opvh1rd1sBE7ugB9w7E11e92bRLfuzCxa/ gKEu2CnH38zq5PQUvFVxRYuKeVXDaSFZc9IFNuysTW5EZOaowL6weeYFktChmvOR/WlSWBIk mrqRSwqJWoj0w2VDt/pzAE0RtQ1gztMcpzKOLSfyPrgP33UAb7VY/fjOwoggqFS0v3dEgj/z ABEBAAGJAnIEGAEIACYCGwIWIQRRPEwdu6XuhrjZQ70+fhwhqdFLlwUCXKDZ9gUJAz97UgFA wHQgBBkBCAAdFiEEWmyBGnI+Eihw6dN8HICQJIqVl8cFAltCkiQACgkQHICQJIqVl8fQzAf/ d9upIp1pgsBC8ie8fwN6mVMiE/u44LimyWBm/G813a0utxYIG10oBGQojq0LuOaLRBm/dvZz wl7ptDwIOubrvAXy6uGY0SOu+e05sKS730Pm5AoRsBx2UDdBIng3Xl/96FlIS8jDLDYgYh0F TXoKb6TNobWJD8caaFS1GC/iDil8AaFZcTPLtPtdDpC2rdQzOHfloVjDk93CZDUEGb/OXSfO nNk93mfXOoCu2Qmwb+bKOeavUPf5+yNiPFzz1/ktnuGXZrgsojRU2m+piyD3zWxisLuDLqP8 GSqYpNpt1JyRTXX6+FqOcGpFv/dineOJXFJaRXwVs0z3IwXYr394awkQPn4cIanRS5fgsAf8 DUKEr7K4tEEXbxKFgpq5P05jKWaQcFSHZN2WG18f89ARJABgAk5APTRD+UvJv9xcy5i8rhvW VJ6JPkYtjxP9r4wQKA7qVpS0ni6DEfweDtcUrIjZu7vdevUNdu4zBv97gK7hyCuy7f3FETPX AsD/99hHMJcKSjeJ/zJ84g/W7BhjZZUp+ZmpC1BdLiU3ZJEHSUBtbBasJDRIvxWqAu95AAfr rdqSDcthe/eIGcBUgrfLD3PESQfO/Q74nuWinsgIGCvO8LB7kc0pWAtTHhraPLyLq+XqvVMK /RoW4g/4pO4d2G3Xt/gSKnLcWtPbd654HUnSi28y/Am3Nx5jfVi68LkBDQRbQpP0AQgAroTc ZKog9QT3rYF6PDWRVk1MBsJgDM5Xl2amZqP5TVOEwXgQNu6f5rwsfANRqCdsSfhn3odYmPWo Yy1hRCFZeXcDEc6l5tG5JRGt9SIxrCFPsfnfpY2h5ll9ycxiveKf3g+xUO72UEtDY979W0LZ 2/xxDOaWd5XGKt+Dmncsx4vMktCi54a4M3JWnLJqfx5nP7gIWXNqzqEEUFIZ2NbJFpPu89jb zglVcgfpWVqDirnOk17wh1C15YFkZHlek+ErwbsfS2hGESqpJRu5q3MatYWYvVwGgCkdtORw WguVKdBS3sOEo+IFIsckglnR3lq+ElXje6vVFqpcJAB0K9AMMQARAQABiQE8BBgBCAAmAhsM FiEEUTxMHbul7oa42UO9Pn4cIanRS5cFAlyg2fYFCQM/eYIACgkQPn4cIanRS5ex0gf6AhBQ F9t918l4l+q+mHzyeaWNO6E3neh2Ibv2FEyR84RXU5+4hXKIkKvWdpaX+PEre8tTAu0fvQF5 ivtc0mpx74SqkUR+g8u8mVY8JzsmiWwCu/Adx+nEzwo1XkzzwiThKnIGwieaulT7N77otTHE g2wdeIr4Epn6/ro5y/QPEbvjoJAfw/ByyVadH1pA4HNbvBwC04xfCpbF4QSDqLZXSY8PX7Je UfN4m3VjKoxrYHYox0B/l7F1GMV7xhXBy2/uP17InEG4ezswr0yIbNrGQrpvBtuDC3sBQUmZ 0ZvJVRUFFXGoDfLcqDP4gK24UnddF8OSKKStbk8ueP3o96xDsQ== Message-ID: <327f91a2-475c-0dee-01b6-6bd296c9b8f0@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 09:24:10 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-project+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-project+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-project+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list <gentoo-project.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <b7200fbcc9f0f34df3e4c10e254fd9c4e3806d5e.camel@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="RNKMU6TgplQnft2VldUFw6U8kySIksK0y" X-Archives-Salt: 8528de13-dc0d-4e7a-bf6b-e2d96e0bc0ae X-Archives-Hash: efa1d9d6ceffff9fd351c91dfb281c04 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --RNKMU6TgplQnft2VldUFw6U8kySIksK0y Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="mN4NdzVmzRa6yNyaraLWNrvH9b81Hh027"; protected-headers="v1" From: Mikle Kolyada <zlogene@gentoo.org> To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <327f91a2-475c-0dee-01b6-6bd296c9b8f0@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Gentoo as hobbyist distro References: <20190615124220.fcf0c08b22481d5bc6c2dbe0@gentoo.org> <b7200fbcc9f0f34df3e4c10e254fd9c4e3806d5e.camel@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <b7200fbcc9f0f34df3e4c10e254fd9c4e3806d5e.camel@gentoo.org> --mN4NdzVmzRa6yNyaraLWNrvH9b81Hh027 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US On 16.06.2019 21:09, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > On Sat, 2019-06-15 at 12:42 +0300, Andrew Savchenko wrote: >> Last year we had a good initiative: it addition to (or even instead >> of) manifests nominees were asked questions by voters. So let's >> continue this year. >> >> I propose to have one question per thread spawned by this e-mail to >> keep discussion focused. If you have multiple questions, please >> start multiple threads. If your question was already asked, please >> join a thread. >> > Some developers were recently complaining that we're turning Gentoo int= o > a hobbyist distro and that's apparently bad. > > Do you think Gentoo should allow for experimental and unstable features= , > and possibly breaking changes that make Gentoo more interesting for > hobbyists? Or should we block breaking changes and become more > conservative for users who prefer stable distribution with minimal > maintenance burden? > We must keep gentoo as stable as possible taking care of our production users, I can speak of myself here, I am currently maintaining computation clusters with > 1k units (all are under gentoo), and I would not happy to see my cluster somehow affected by unstable features in the mainline (neither would others I believe). Still gentoo is the only meta distribution with freedom of choice, that says we can really implement bleeding edge solutions with a separate profile and something like "I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING=3D1" variable set in the make.conf, the only question of implementation. --mN4NdzVmzRa6yNyaraLWNrvH9b81Hh027-- --RNKMU6TgplQnft2VldUFw6U8kySIksK0y Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEWmyBGnI+Eihw6dN8HICQJIqVl8cFAl0J1RQACgkQHICQJIqV l8dPkgf/Zq14rXJAIyHknSInv2Y91HANJuL2Nk1oyGRPw2LlS4zacI7GhYr+WYPa NCZx0tYuK4u7hyTrhz4zPEg9gJqZXoXHVBoFZ0aJsOvXMW0IX77K+4dcfhV90wmH nart9It/+2rd9MVPkr7QmFSdk0p0nzc0al+buGEiJ+klD2g6jsri9n5aNCQcGFhp EmvUsciV4INP2FMr7KHMPZP3qlMHCfjKKP4d+5BM+6moKspIbzneK7JD6FDo+a6m y97dD+hPezig/UdEGJ7/Sd3DA9XHD8ahPoAX72L+3HFK6VIbninDzo5FRd0Nrgz2 YjchJ6LctBCzYxaiJK7P9HrbCvoXQg== =4Wyq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RNKMU6TgplQnft2VldUFw6U8kySIksK0y--