From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 796B01382C5 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 00:25:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DE74CE0BDF; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 00:25:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smarthost03c.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost03c.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.1.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABD8BE0BC7 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 00:25:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [62.3.120.142] (helo=NeddySeagoon_Static) by smarthost03c.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1elOPj-0005JC-3n for gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 00:25:39 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 00:25:08 +0000 From: Roy Bamford Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] rfc: council members and appeals To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: (from rich0@gentoo.org on Tue Feb 13 00:13:39 2018) X-Mailer: Balsa 2.5.3 Message-Id: <2xbYG4Iv/FzlqTfJCeRrKv@Avy1ub3ZQth970/waO6TI> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-X34AdkRg/euKoE/U9fxC" X-Originating-smarthost03c-IP: [62.3.120.142] Feedback-ID: 62.3.120.142 X-Archives-Salt: 7419d9c6-6f60-47f1-bdca-166c4b819c3b X-Archives-Hash: 04f95a7e8e5547a56e4b218683ba42e7 --=-X34AdkRg/euKoE/U9fxC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2018.02.13 00:13, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 6:40 PM, M. J. Everitt > wrote: > > On 12/02/18 23:02, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > >> Can you provide us with an example when such a scenario has > happened > >> in the past 12 years of council, or is the above purely > hypothetical? > >> Because in the latter case it is not an actual problem that needs > to > >> be solved. > >> > >> It is not a game of Nomic that we're playing here, but we are > trying > >> to run a distro. IMHO precluding council members from participating > in > >> projects isn't helpful. Or do we really want a council that is > sitting > >> in an ivory tower, completely detached from the daily distro work? > >> > > Uhm, what's the difference .. the council already live in their own > land > > separate from most of the developers, and definitely from the user > > community at large ? > > > > Or at least, such is the perception .. [don't shoot the messenger > and > > all that] > > >=20 > Such is your perception. Most developers just cast their votes, and > hence the same council members keep getting re-elected. I doubt that > would happen if most developers considered them aloof, especially > since the Council has always attracted a significant number of > election candidates. >=20 > You can't judge something like this by mailing list posts. >=20 > --=20 > Rich >=20 >=20 Rich, Most developers don't cast their votes. =20 2015-16 The turnout for this election was 30.638. 2016-17 The turnout for this election was 37.190% Thats from email I happen to have to hand. =46rom memory, those two data points are typical. =20 --=20 Regards, Roy Bamford (Neddyseagoon) a member of elections gentoo-ops forum-mods = --=-X34AdkRg/euKoE/U9fxC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEE8iqN0lnEsghF0U/tVl/TNarc5wkFAlqCMGQACgkQVl/TNarc 5wlzIw//X8I+xFImXbHszm0ncP8C7aiJq6spsrKmkaYt3YCDXWKxeviAAVND7yVS WkOecIb/HtJjHPRNHKUK2bLtYez78k0n1t4dq7PfngJkEbnkN0Vb/X8ltrZ/rXAF xcGe5CtrAmvZqw2uEZ4JTWrR0hdTMpyeepvss0BwddT6Js8rm72IEzC6OjbFqUeX CHFuML+CF3EwKJ3o/RCg5064Fp1PjWJ/2hDyEpU4RqPudLwpurWrCFk0B/O5NGCw AVGK8+mlj9b7UcitXmf13tE6KuYtRdr9kcHDgkbyqaUluOisE0W1bkEjz/pZBDr6 H9su2lTvkiP+6XHwfiB71yS+dUiV7qNRQGSx8sVVU4wSUHGXfdiRpq041kL0wydM bgVEj+LYU95eatp90lH71QIdEjHD81GEl+6H4NmYiRnrz6uXaDI7k916z9UYgWUF pTbVmn4OzXPmKq6tyxKyH6zwVcK2eX4Pk6ECJ0OrrktD4McR8fGEcN8F4lEE7CAt avElfdNG2A+3K9R39jDk3vg+amkklQRyDJT1+IbGXPZ2To+Em3s3NulclvpfgTLR rH8PTX/tiGwxkntwQHSyU/jqZ51JMMbl6lrLLQMJh3OCWUHlHpF6Hj+emSGq0IPK KZlhA03xWoc2c8obP8Af0MEXIrN5BusNQePVH6MCKJOGxZQi0qU= =UBHk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-X34AdkRg/euKoE/U9fxC--