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ESMTPSA id 4E2F933BE07 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 14:43:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] pre-GLEP: Gentoo OpenPGP web of trust To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <1548943008.796.1.camel@gentoo.org> <439a1433-90bf-9464-cea2-eac377d4b8ba@gentoo.org> <1549004234.3382.1.camel@gentoo.org> From: Brian Evans Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=grknight@gentoo.org; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQENBFMOffsBCAC1yeQP2IkMoAlVzs2DXurf+eFYxYtFnh3/jIzLa/tM1hiTUHG47lOuZUf5 R13iTVJ8jWXjsQvSQuf/3wLBjZjBBE8iVp+WIYLGaAtRVx8bI2ssPKGNMggv+jR4TrzdZ5+l GJJT9CmCAwU4UD0BipbJDQjes9I0s1BIndAAMGSBx+rHnlINWaT93276rfEP7Z53r8gzoG22 HHmwIUi522rsCpqwlhy6AAiN2HOE06eQLtgZKgwwo4C1xL4FuuSyPMGGU/nKmUJbMgrb2xV7 OKXL8JjF3mGQ0cf648k3CnVojOPqJ5xQoHLQorzIweFylB5NhzRaj1paljQxqkIUEalrABEB AAG0IUJyaWFuIEV2YW5zIDxncmtuaWdodEBnZW50b28ub3JnPokBVwQTAQgAQQIbAwIeAQIX gAIZAQUJCwqcLxYhBE/DMQh1XidTY/2y/04V4vFnx44dBQJYQYD3BQsJCAcDBRUKCQgLBRYD 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<2b8cb50f-7fd2-39c7-5f84-ea03c7806360@gentoo.org> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2019 09:43:11 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1549004234.3382.1.camel@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="X2n7axb7t9IU2TtyxkGigd579hyrGw8md" X-Archives-Salt: 3f97826d-2ba5-4624-b35c-5faaa95582d2 X-Archives-Hash: 580dad69b42da9783842d701a2a69198 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --X2n7axb7t9IU2TtyxkGigd579hyrGw8md Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="YU0oO6zAChwtwUku11jY9au2gtUBJCxCE"; protected-headers="v1" From: Brian Evans To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <2b8cb50f-7fd2-39c7-5f84-ea03c7806360@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] pre-GLEP: Gentoo OpenPGP web of trust References: <1548943008.796.1.camel@gentoo.org> <439a1433-90bf-9464-cea2-eac377d4b8ba@gentoo.org> <1549004234.3382.1.camel@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <1549004234.3382.1.camel@gentoo.org> --YU0oO6zAChwtwUku11jY9au2gtUBJCxCE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2/1/2019 1:57 AM, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > On Thu, 2019-01-31 at 09:21 -0500, Brian Evans wrote: >> On 1/31/2019 8:56 AM, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: >> >>> >>> Signature requirements >>> ---------------------- >>> >>> As a final goal of this GLEP, each Gentoo developer will be required >>> to have at least one signature from another Gentoo developer or from >>> member of one of the partner communities present on their >>> ``@gentoo.org`` UID. >> >> -1 >> >> I won't be able to accomplish this as I do not travel and have no >> opportunities to meet with others. Plus, it's just downright awkward. >> I'm sure there are other devs in this same situation. >> >=20 > The most commonly proposed alternative is identity verification via > video chat. Would that also be unachievable for you? >=20 > It would be really nice to get some measure on how many people *really*= > can't do it, rather than how many will oppose for the sake of opposing.= =20 This is likely to be difficult if not impossible to accomplish. > It is funny how many of the people complaining today would actually > quickly get the needed signature if this was required from the start. It's also funny how a few individuals are suddenly pushing this obscure GPG "Web of Trust" that so few others care about. GnuPG is quite crude and difficult to use and understand. If this requirement becomes mandatory, my time will end at the 6 year mark. I cannot see myself ever being able to fulfill it, which is a sham= e. This trend of creating difficult barriers is seemingly getting worse in the last few proposals, both for users and developers. I still say this is all a bad idea. 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