From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 090C8138334 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2019 15:56:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 37257E0863; Sun, 16 Jun 2019 15:56:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smarthost03b.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost03b.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.1.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BA30E0858 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2019 15:56:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [62.3.120.142] (helo=NeddySeagoon_Static) by smarthost03b.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1hcXWD-0002UB-4x for gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org; Sun, 16 Jun 2019 15:56:33 +0000 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 16:56:10 +0100 From: Roy Bamford Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Power balance To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <20190615130033.68b4d85861a54fb0824583a9@gentoo.org> (from bircoph@gentoo.org on Sat Jun 15 11:00:33 2019) X-Mailer: Balsa 2.5.6 Message-Id: <2A7C2ALK.2WFCNQE2.6ZPJUKKZ@OBQBRBAQ.NYUN6DXD.Q6HBQ6FH> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-lFV53Djlfybax2ZOTlHV" X-Originating-smarthost03b-IP: [62.3.120.142] Feedback-ID: 62.3.120.142 X-Archives-Salt: 15f38af6-c5c7-47cf-8d3b-36a307026191 X-Archives-Hash: be77ddd4197c7e7a733ee8dd764bfd86 --=-lFV53Djlfybax2ZOTlHV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2019.06.15 11:00, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 12:42:20 +0300 Andrew Savchenko wrote: > > Hi all! > >=20 > > Last year we had a good initiative: it addition to (or even instead > > of) manifests nominees were asked questions by voters. So let's > > continue this year. > >=20 > > I propose to have one question per thread spawned by this e-mail to > > keep discussion focused. If you have multiple questions, please > > start multiple threads. If your question was already asked, please > > join a thread. > >=20 > > I'll ask my questions in subsequent e-mails. >=20 > Gentoo power balance was carefully crafted over the years. However > during last year that balance was disrupted: [snip] I don't that is correct but it may not matter to the rest of the discussion= . When drobbins left in 2004, the Foundation was formed to take over the=20 assets of Gentoo Technologies Inc., which had owned Gentoos assets while drobbins was BDFL. At that time the TLPL, without the BDFL continued to look after the=20 technical issues. For whatever reasons, the TLPL became ineffective and the council was formed to address that. I don't have any data to suggest that the Foundation endorsed the=20 councils terms of reference or otherwise. =20 The point is, the Gentoo power balance just happened as a series of responses to local problems at the time.=20 > 1. The same person can now be in the Gentoo Council and the Trustees > board. Its not new. drobbins was both BDFL (TLPL Manager) and one of the directors of Gentoo Technologies Inc. When the Foundation bylaws were adopted in 2008, the thinking was=20 that the council would put forward project ideas that needed to be funded=20 and separation of duties requires that those that want to spend the money=20 should be a separate group from those that approve it. Its never been an issue since to my knowledge, council as a body, have=20 never requested funding for anything. It would still be a bad thing if the trustees was a subset of the council. The two roles require different skill sets, so I don't think overlap is eit= her useful or desirable.=20 > Best regards, > Andrew Savchenko >=20 --=20 Regards, Roy Bamford (Neddyseagoon) a member of elections gentoo-ops forum-mods arm64= --=-lFV53Djlfybax2ZOTlHV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEEsOrcx0gZrrCMwJzo/xJODTqpeT4FAl0GZp0ACgkQ/xJODTqp eT7BAggAgiYrTTgPnny9nqQdga0EBtMmA5EUw7RwU3Sopi4fY3oF37U4jEiIuif8 pt+XS9rGbe1Yx0GuscYB0rtxGj4+7z2jIyHA9Y2RXIPxPfbD1tKmDuxpPnaA12Ab uIfPjA2yCaLGNnY4InQD3gBcDgLQmbSc6xCAXyMBLpXlLI+POOvJQHdVO8Bw3epz PN8ovqPeX/rmJOHcS96qB1skmk7UVWXlAVhIqHm2iIc68HrIzbQsYUXGqTvNDeKj Vs+ZD9oYJxz5uIpHVwZIkOQp3OUXjqosL4CQ4UkpM9+x+v6OEIWgL+IoAK+PXlzE GJ7r7tT68/wHiNfZ4Hn/r1QGr8T3hw== =L4/r -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-lFV53Djlfybax2ZOTlHV--