From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1640C138334 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 06:28:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9121FE07DB; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 06:28:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3887FE077C for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 06:28:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiot (d202-252.icpnet.pl [109.173.202.252]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4529A348330; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 06:28:44 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <24242ef7e13032358131037ab1c32bb102fbdd4c.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2019-07-21 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_G=C3=B3rny?= To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 08:28:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20190721024809.efff863a8f3a7f8ae509f24d@gentoo.org> References: <0f65bce4fb95cd5340fc51f2108e4f884a0093b8.camel@gentoo.org> <20190721024809.efff863a8f3a7f8ae509f24d@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-uz5KYYFCftkAGWjxVGEW" User-Agent: Evolution 3.30.5 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Archives-Salt: 00794685-66f2-4bdd-9dbb-ef980c3e5c93 X-Archives-Hash: e9c663fd782880266b0b6350c88b7e24 --=-uz5KYYFCftkAGWjxVGEW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 2019-07-21 at 02:48 +0300, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > On Sun, 07 Jul 2019 23:00:01 +0200 Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > > My second agenda item is: removing posting restrictions from gentoo-dev > > mailing list. > >=20 > > I was on the Council that made those changes, and from retrospective I > > believe the decision to be a mistake. It was made to workaround > > a problem with inefficiency of ComRel, and we should have focused > > on fixing ComRel instead. I don't believe it serves its purpose well > > and IMO it causes more problems than it solves. >=20 > We had the problem of the lists becoming unusable. Since person > involved actively avoided bans, the only working technical mean > available was to whitelist the gentoo-dev mail list. Other > technical means like targeted banning apparently have had failed. For the record, this is oversimplfying. The main reason why the person in question has bypassed the ban is because ComRel failed to deliver a professional notice about the ban, and therefore provoked him to publish it. Not saying it's justified or appropriate, saying it might not have happened if we did things right. I'm not aware of any case of deliberate repeated ban evasions that required explicit action in the past. Are you? --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --=-uz5KYYFCftkAGWjxVGEW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGTBAABCgB9FiEEx2qEUJQJjSjMiybFY5ra4jKeJA4FAl00BhdfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldEM3 NkE4NDUwOTQwOThEMjhDQzhCMjZDNTYzOUFEQUUyMzI5RTI0MEUACgkQY5ra4jKe JA7o4wgAkbiaOjzs8aGgFwC6+r8jnvpjyQMF/Jkq3IDJBcDPor6f3Eshirr2Mwb1 w7FO1j4BV9crfsdK/SjeMPYBtpf3KATsdG90GEdKXhHYZZTNBsHioYTRMkjtQMUI qZeE0I8pTCSyR0X/g7X1cm7EmIsRJv4AAV1yWZjqXvZZfgwLN/yZYMyEIROBIVgq TR0PCtU0QDkO276ljEAbksEG80u+hnAkrCZxjdzjvmyxsRXfGgiqzjG3c7j10nFz dgMIqa/GJ7KFTRjNGCQzhEVKutNTVeithqs1Vx+6zx2IJok+M7mbe9QESrF9uGLk XpgX18ckkWWPX/ERsttlzgKrxNaZ+w== =o5q7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-uz5KYYFCftkAGWjxVGEW--