From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1BB71381F1 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2018 07:32:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C0040E0A87; Fri, 9 Feb 2018 07:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E2A5E0A85 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2018 07:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de (host2092.kph.uni-mainz.de [134.93.134.92]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ulm) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 040A0335C06; Fri, 9 Feb 2018 07:32:36 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <23165.20112.833342.101687@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 08:32:32 +0100 To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] RFC: Expanding Foundation Bylaws, section 4.9 Termination from Membership In-Reply-To: <20180208223921.fg3pxpgj3oo5hzsf@gentoo.org> References: <20180208045041.GA6197@clocktown> <20180208211814.GA19121@clocktown> <20180208221740.du25ay4mrqyjxlwc@gentoo.org> <20180208223921.fg3pxpgj3oo5hzsf@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 24.3.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) From: Ulrich Mueller Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="pgp+signed+2w3M+1ba9vT8KTb"; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: ef2f4a35-e083-453f-97d5-d333d952dddb X-Archives-Hash: 62628cd00995c1aac107b3e25a04d228 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --pgp+signed+2w3M+1ba9vT8KTb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018, Matthew Thode wrote: > On 18-02-08 15:33:02, Daniel Robbins wrote: >> I think rich0 is spot-on here where if we make it even shorter, it g= ets >> even stronger: >>=20 >> Section 4.9. Termination from Membership. >> Membership may be terminated by a majority vote of the board of >> trustees. >>=20 >> No explanation required. Right now, it sounds like the trustees may >> need to justify that the member is acting contrary to the >> purpose(s) of the Foundation. When really, no justification should >> be required (it just opens the door for endless argument, >> grumpiness, and thus more likely to lead to legal action). At the >> very least, it should say that the trustees can remove anyone *they >> feel* (ie. based on *their opinion*, which can't be argued) is >> acting poorly. That removes the possibility of debate. > Agreed, this is the only improvement I see us making to that specific= > bylaw. Have I understood this right, removing the possibility of debate and giving trustees the power to haphazardly kick members is seen as an *improvement* over what there is now=3F I would rather call it despotism. Just for comparison, look at the corresponding wording in the bylaws of Gentoo e.V. (my attempt of a translation, original German is in https://gentoo-ev.org/w/images/8/86/Satzung.pdf, =A74 (5)): "A member may be excluded by decision of the board: for damaging the reputation of the Verein, for failing to pay the membership fee, or for another important reason. The board must communicate the decision to the excluded member in writing, indicating the reasons, and give him hearing on request. The general members' assembly can be invoked for an appeal against the board's decision; membership is suspended until the decision of the general assembly." Ulrich --pgp+signed+2w3M+1ba9vT8KTb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJafU5kAAoJEMMJBoUcYcJzdw0IALrUqDPFzUKpwJ3Yl0u96/UK FhwJgIlMrKcuG5BCaSU8w9stJECHLAwCi2UNoA34eOxqidTubUUh2f327OvBlY9d puUZ1yYJEgl5fUlYkuEHqfJrTMR+R6N1dkc8Ma81VNoCcYsbIiLLVapLvZCjlNFp xsAgd6VuR99XayZ831MsdbuJQwNow8XFn8Uh8mNLEsnxfdxWaYlahhBONYsKIi14 4M7KPXqlnQC3WbmXoIHH6ACXCumtLvRmWs0UDtMBExFRno03d443HGXtQMNK7DWF V+StLYJq/7syrQslrckgE1NcD0Blz9ld1KgatmZm+f014/MIxMDG4dF2AK6ayeU= =J/wh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pgp+signed+2w3M+1ba9vT8KTb--