From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F08F1382C5 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 12:08:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 43593E09E2; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 12:07:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DB47E09DF for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 12:07:50 +0000 (UTC) From: Andreas =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=2E_H=FCttel?= To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Cc: Roy Bamford Subject: Re: Shutting down the Off the Wall (was: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items ...) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 14:07:41 +0200 Message-ID: <2163585.lZ2vcFHjTE@farino> Organization: Gentoo Linux In-Reply-To: <46VMOZ54.H6K3WDDW.GVJ4SDQI@X7ZUXRCI.AYMFVOXG.BF2VNFXM> References: <46VMOZ54.H6K3WDDW.GVJ4SDQI@X7ZUXRCI.AYMFVOXG.BF2VNFXM> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart4732354.3LOHGUjKiO"; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: a93cad04-7600-4491-b590-f393c300e721 X-Archives-Hash: 21d0479997a1c30c79398b03e56d57e1 --nextPart4732354.3LOHGUjKiO Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; protected-headers="v1" From: Andreas =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=2E_H=FCttel?= To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Cc: Roy Bamford Subject: Re: Shutting down the Off the Wall (was: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items ...) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 14:07:41 +0200 Message-ID: <2163585.lZ2vcFHjTE@farino> Organization: Gentoo Linux In-Reply-To: <46VMOZ54.H6K3WDDW.GVJ4SDQI@X7ZUXRCI.AYMFVOXG.BF2VNFXM> References: <46VMOZ54.H6K3WDDW.GVJ4SDQI@X7ZUXRCI.AYMFVOXG.BF2VNFXM> > I have a major concern with the concept of the council > deciding to close any part of the forum. Its like this ... > At present, Gentoo is a common carrier, like the mail. > The content of letters and parcels is of little concern to the > carrier. >=20 > Gentoos status could be changed by a council decision to > close any part of the forum from common carrier to publisher, > were the council seen to be exercising editorial control. > Being a publisher makes Gentoo liable for the published > content. Gentoo could not run the forums at all under those > conditions. This is misinformation at best, and deliberate confusion sowing at worst.=20 I assume that you're talking about the US legal situation. [#] * The DCMA, which mostly pops up when searching for "common carrier",=20 primarily applies to copyright violations. That is not what we are talking= =20 about. Even so, the safe harbor provision of the DCMA only applies as long = as=20 reported violations are swiftly removed. * US legal code explicitly provides a "good samaritan provision" regarding= =20 offensive material, protecting blocking or filtering, even proactively. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D (2) Civil liability No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be held liable= on=20 account of=E2=80=94 (A) any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or=20 availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene,= =20 lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise=20 objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected; = or [...] =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230 Cheers. [#] Mostly because (broadly simplifying) only the US focuses that strongly = on=20 freedom of speech, while the EU focuses somewhat more on data protection an= d=20 protection against slander(?). The UK legal situation is insignificant on a= =20 global scale. =2D-=20 Andreas K. H=C3=BCttel dilfridge@gentoo.org Gentoo Linux developer=20 (council, qa, toolchain, base-system, perl, libreoffice) --nextPart4732354.3LOHGUjKiO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. 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