From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 109D51382C5 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 20:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C05F0E09EF; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 20:55:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (mail.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F836E09EE for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 20:55:53 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 20:55:36 +0000 From: James Le Cuirot To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2021-01-10 (late call, meeting this week!) 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 23:57:23 -0500 desultory wrote: > On 01/10/21 04:24, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > > On Sun, 2021-01-10 at 01:38 +0100, Thomas Deutschmann wrote: =20 > >> Hi, > >> > >> could you please provide a Wiki diff=20 > >> (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council/Code_of_conduct) for you= r=20 > >> motion so everyone knows exactly how the changed CoC will look like wh= en=20 > >> we will vote on this? =20 > >=20 > > I don't see how this is better than the new point separately but sure.= =20 > > I've put it before 'Admit the possibility ...' since that seems related > > to the last point, and the last point sounds final-ish. > >=20 > > diff --git a/coc.mediawiki b/coc.mediawiki > > index bcff0af..3edbeec 100644 > > --- a/coc.mediawiki > > +++ b/coc.mediawiki > > @@ -20,6 +20,7 @@ Things that should be seen: > > * '''Give accurate information in the spirit of being helpful.''' > > * '''Respectfully disagree with or challenge other members.''' The ope= rative word here is respectfully. > > * '''Using the correct forum for your post.''' Bug reports and idle ch= atter do not belong on the gentoo-dev mailing list; discussion about a wide= -ranging change to the tree probably does not belong on Bugzilla. Different= fora will also have different standards of behaviour =E2=80=93 a joke that= is perfectly acceptable on IRC will be taken differently when made on a ma= iling list. > > +* '''Use concise and clear language.''' The Gentoo community includes = people from all over the world, with varying English skills and available t= ime. > > * '''Admit the possibility of fault and respect different point of vie= ws.''' Noone is perfect =E2=80=93 you will get things wrong occasionally. D= on't be afraid to admit this. Similarly, while something may seem perfectly= obvious to you, others may see it differently. > > * '''If you screw up, take responsibility for your actions.''' > > =20 > >=20 > > =20 > So, just to be clear, you are pushing a suggestion which received much > more negative feedback than positive and which you avoid following > whenever possible? I forgot exactly how many threads this spawned but if you're referring to the concern I raised, I felt it was largely to put rest. I didn't like the idea of trying to strongly enforce concise language but now that I see that is intended as a guideline, I'm not so worried. --=20 James Le Cuirot (chewi) Gentoo Linux Developer --Sig_/L5ArFh6_ysoR+5OBZN81+y. 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