From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13C421382C5 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 18:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 990DBE095D; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 18:04:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (mail.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5092CE0937 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 18:04:16 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 20:04:04 +0200 From: Jimi Huotari To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: Shutting down the Off the Wall (was: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items ...) Message-ID: <20201215200358.06833b78@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: References: <2LFZC3RZ.WVSUWEDL.VQXYWEFC@CMM6QA7H.D55IMDXP.EKCHVXDO> <7c937572-53a2-daf7-3760-c807749412e3@gentoo.org> <68ac00f6-afa1-26de-fe63-a6438648b693@gentoo.org> <9c82ba692fb10c5d1a5c847dcfb8974ee9764c0e.camel@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: f2ebb3e8-bf07-49c5-af2d-b01f115daf91 X-Archives-Hash: 7e8ba0edb67029478c8b37dd0d2d9d82 On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 11:20:06 +0000 Sam James wrote: > > On 15 Dec 2020, at 11:03, Ch=C3=AD-Thanh Christopher Nguy=E1=BB=85n > > wrote: > >=20 > > David Seifert schrieb: =20 > >> On Sun, 2020-12-13 at 15:36 +0100, Thomas Deutschmann wrote: =20 > >>> Finally please also allow me to ask why 30+ days after all of this > >>> started, nobody from forums team took yet any action, i.e. the post I > >>> showed on Friday is still untouched. Have I missed an issued > >>> warning/ban? =20 > > =20 > >> I think the forum mods agree with you: > >> https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-8543599.html#8543599 =20 > >>> Of the random set I surveyed, I did not find any posts that, in my > >>> opinion, rose to the level of a violation. =20 > >=20 > > "I will note that due to the volume of poorly explained reports, I > > gave up before reading nearly all the reported posts, so some of the > > reported posts may well deserve to be reported." > >=20 > > Ok, so overloading the forum moderation with frivolous requests will > > obviously lead to the legitimate requests getting inadequate attention. > >=20 > > I consider those who started digging in historical posts and mass > > reporting them as acting in bad faith here. =20 >=20 > That isn=E2=80=99t what actually happened though. Soap and I both reporte= d posts > we individually found offensive on the first few pages of the forum. > There was no effort to go back through 13+ years of archives and report > any infringing material - that would be a huge waste of time on our part > and the moderators. >=20 > It=E2=80=99s a misrepresentation of two people who figured they=E2=80=99d= better follow > the formal process to see if _that_ changes anything. While there might have been some good intentions there, the timing was quite poor. The voting for what will happen with Off the Wall was right around the corner, though things had already been pretty much decided before that point. Indeed, I would say this wasn't a very good use of anyone's time and/or energy.