From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41791138359 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 02:35:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 200C3E095F; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 02:35:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (mail.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1580E095D for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 02:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 22:35:32 -0400 From: Aaron Bauman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Questions for Council candidates: Future of the Foundation Message-ID: <20200707023532.GC107534@bubba> References: <20200704193316.ae2d3f0fd3908036301c10c5@gentoo.org> <6DDF9C97-2168-4E61-BD8A-89D16EBDB947@gentoo.org> <20200706211118.GA107534@bubba> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qjNfmADvan18RZcF" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Archives-Salt: 123fdbed-b8be-4d0a-a97f-1c619ba1c2be X-Archives-Hash: f05dc6a0a17cd42508f546e50297349c --qjNfmADvan18RZcF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 03:49:52PM -0700, Alec Warner wrote: > On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 2:11 PM Aaron Bauman wrote: >=20 > > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 12:30:04PM -0700, Alec Warner wrote: > > > On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 8:20 PM Aaron Bauman wrote: > > Seems folks had ideas, but you (really we/Trustees) did not respond. Of > > course, it also seems many tried to divert the idea of spending any > > money without consulting Robin as the lead for finanances. > > >=20 > Yeah I think continuing the finances will help. > I believe at this point that the finances are in a state that other foundation members and Gentoo developers should not be concerned with submitting various requests. >=20 > > > > For the record, Robin calcualted (IMHO, very well) what we could spend > > and what we couldn't. So, for those following this mail, please know > > that due diligence is completed before any funds are appropriated. Then > > and now. > > >=20 > I am also sad that we basically received no net new funding requests to t= he > Foundation. Everyone has ideas on how to spend money but no one is > executing anything. I think dillfridge was correct on that thread when he > said that the problem isn't necessarily money, but instead we lack the > people to execute on these ideas. We did the Nitrokey thing because people > did care and pushed that idea forward; getting financial approval for it > was straightforward > This, IMO, is due to the perception of the foundation not being in a stable position to entertain such requests. Additionally, I believe we, as a foundation, owe it to the electorate to delineate what type of requests are acceptable. For example, I don't believe we can currently fund someone as an employee (Robin, please correct me if needed). However, we can due other items such as fund conference attendance, pay for a particular contract, or donate funds to other organizations. If we can definitively state what is acceptable then I expect members to request such items. > I see two main problems: > 1) The main problem with efforts appears not to be a lack of money and > instead is a lack of leadership (e.g. someone pushing a project through.) > 2) The foundation has been reticent to hire people to do this work for two > reasons. > a) The Foundation has often not wanted employees, or contractors; this > is mostly due to a lack of D&O insurance. As stated above, we have other options vice hiring someone directly as an at-will or salaried employee. For instance, we could hire someone to produce a particular product or endstate for some software. The exact same as we have contracted tax support to a particular organization. This bypasses any D&O concerns, but IMO such concerns where D&O would become relevant are nil. > b) The Community has not been particularly receptive to paid vs unpaid > developers; we would need some method to manage this. >=20 Do you mean like a lottery or something to ensure there is no bias? If so, what about a method such as GSOC where proposals are voted on based on merit, ingenuinity, impact, etc? --=20 Cheers, Aaron --qjNfmADvan18RZcF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEEDA48qNrrn8VVVcst4yp5f7HQy3AFAl8D33QACgkQ4yp5f7HQ y3CBgQf+PFrU/CqYHd3ZktSkJzrIIz8JH9hfllKlPM4wtSWDEbMthqk3CWoyQVfn iah7PxGPX7U1DDi2oAuF2zdP1RXZAlGakuyIxhd1KA22j1Tm/yClf1V2kba7lGTW I9lzB+oSXdcp46SqTqRNYzFPwzJ0F7CTBkmZCVI+RVssoaLKbIlap3KMLJcNhi97 X2FMp8Uc1vyaquTFYMpzctSo60ubEqhDLkdx9QGcfI2gE6DgXvouR/N3JpQhnkmO jXNmzdnwKxK/qWozl53P8eQTI9DuXGhS7LHrV6reeb6uNfrzJk685FSdi5ZwFhrN eHHCmOjjwaHWjbneLk4cw+VLkyPzdQ== =MVs9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qjNfmADvan18RZcF--