From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF3001382C5 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:31:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 20BABE09E2; Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:31:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (mail.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F36F5E09E1 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:31:07 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 16:30:59 -0400 From: Aaron Bauman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Question for 2020 council candidates: Dev recruitment status Message-ID: <20200628203059.GA17128@bubba> References: <32ea0394-4fec-09c3-45e0-74a2396e1403@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <32ea0394-4fec-09c3-45e0-74a2396e1403@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: 71af950a-800d-40af-b1a5-4b8b6b07d16f X-Archives-Hash: eda562a859d90c9bf88c4f6250d6253f --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 02:43:16PM +0300, Joonas Niilola wrote: > This is the yearly repeating question: How do you view the current > recruitment status in Gentoo? >=20 > In your opinion... > =C2=A0- are we getting enough new devs on board? No, I do not believe we are seeing enough recruits come on board. Given the unique year that is 2020, we are obviously seeing an even lower amount of recruits.=20 While I do not believe we are seeing enough recruits, I do not have a good reasoning as to why. Quizzes to much of a barrier? Easier to simply push items through p-m? Not even interest in Gentoo overall? Just a few thoughts... > =C2=A0- does the current recruitment system work? I believe it does and to attest to zlogene's comments, it really matters on the quality of the mentor and the recruit. There are, of course, a few individuals who say the quizzes are not an effective method and have "held out" because of this. Ultimately, I think spending the time to do it is worth while and regardless of an individuals background... you will learn something. Whether from the quiz directly or from your mentor and recruiter. > =C2=A0- can the current devbase handle "everything" (we have a lot of > low-manned projects)? If not, how could council aid in? Absolutely not! This is not to imply that our devs are not capable, but the amount of devs to ebuilds is not an effective ratio... this is magnified by the fact that we all (mostly) volunteer our time here. > =C2=A0- why do we have hundreds of contributors who'll never become devs?= (is > there a problem in "marketing", or is the recruitment process too hard, > or something else?) See above for my thoughts. > =C2=A0- should council stay away from this topic, and leave every decisio= n to > recruiters? (If I remember correctly, recruiters project were dropped to > 1 person because they had internal issues deciding how to handle future > recruitment). I'm also asking this because I have a suggestion to renew > recruitment process a bit. Should I post my suggestion to -core for > every dev to see, -project for everyone to see, or contact recruiters > who can silently approve/disapprove/modify my suggestion, without anyone > else knowing what I suggested? >=20 I have had this same discussion with the recruiters and through the insight of zlogene I began to understand it more. Once a recruit is properly prepped and quizzes are done the process is pretty seamless... if the mentor and recruit fail in this phase then it will cause slowdowns. I have seen recruits submit their quizzes and within a week or two are onboarded by the recruiters. Further, I have seen quite the opposite. It works. --=20 Cheers, Aaron --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEEDA48qNrrn8VVVcst4yp5f7HQy3AFAl74/gMACgkQ4yp5f7HQ y3C/oAgAlkqSi20mXo6H8wCtJM+AE83aq++0zrudANXRePVVnmzqTGoQtl1BV9HA zJcsqPHvMcE2IB7RMM8/Dxm8zpLRmS5xRb6qiQwJlCYFM18PHXmnBvIY57GtnL5j kNJkhQWh+9wZzHJkNPyw1TKzG1ChfK3bEv14E8nDsnb37JxfTrwp3mHMxN6nBiMs UlEGzRHtqUC6KzREcYYkV2f/zWsRshcIpZT3pforHdZU9n/9mlzwmF82rwEmiTKs hvUtEe8MtJAQtsR/qFmSsJY4cJiyWyfA6nakKndVDn6Hx6wHW+90Klb7DPoxkQa4 Sq2Y5mirCRdKA4wJmHmVfCoG1E1+Lw== =Rupe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY--