From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BE3E138334 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:48:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E2F74E087E; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6461E082D for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from whubbs1.gaikai.biz (unknown [100.42.103.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: williamh) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 887E23474C0 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:48:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: (nullmailer pid 3742 invoked by uid 1000); Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:48:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 10:48:24 -0500 From: William Hubbs To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2019-07-21 Message-ID: <20190710154824.GB3035@whubbs1.dev.av1.gaikai.org> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <0f65bce4fb95cd5340fc51f2108e4f884a0093b8.camel@gentoo.org> <20190709112850.4cba405b@abudhabi.paradoxon.rec> <20190710135534.GA21574@linux1.home> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="v9Ux+11Zm5mwPlX6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Archives-Salt: 588abfe0-7e7d-4e49-b74d-618248832ebf X-Archives-Hash: e3c107ee5da81c7718891df27d417f0e --v9Ux+11Zm5mwPlX6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 03:07:21PM +0100, Michael Everitt wrote: > On 10/07/19 14:55, William Hubbs wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 11:28:50AM +0200, Lars Wendler wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> On Sun, 07 Jul 2019 23:00:01 +0200 Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > >> > > *snip* > > > >>> My second agenda item is: removing posting restrictions from gentoo-d= ev > >>> mailing list. > >>> > >>> I was on the Council that made those changes, and from retrospective I > >>> believe the decision to be a mistake. It was made to workaround > >>> a problem with inefficiency of ComRel, and we should have focused > >>> on fixing ComRel instead. I don't believe it serves its purpose well > >>> and IMO it causes more problems than it solves. > > *snip* > > > >> I fully support this request. > >> This was the utter worst decision being done by council I've ever had > >> the misfortune to be a witness of and I hope our new council will try > >> to never top this kind of bad decisions. > > I was on the council that made this decision as well, and I feel that it > > should never have passed because it comes dangerously close to violating > > our social contract. Some disagree because everything is still read > > only, but I'm still not comfortable with it. > > > > From my POV, there is not really anything to discuss. The post > > restriction should be removed immediately. > > > > William > It remains by dint of procedure that the matter should be brought to a > meeting (or failing that, a bug, as a pseudo-meeting) and that an agreeme= nt > is noted that this is the way forward, so that Infra can enact the revisi= on > in configuration, with the appropriate authority. >=20 > Whilst it would be an interesting option to do "vote by mailing list" I > think the road ahead could be much more rocky than it already is .. I didn't mean to imply that we should disregard procedures, I was just stating a strong opinion about the decision. It should be reversed as fast as is reasonably possible. William --v9Ux+11Zm5mwPlX6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQTVeuxEZo4uUHOkQAluVBb0MMRlOAUCXSYIxQAKCRBuVBb0MMRl OGeUAKCJ36dhKyiNvuWk094tH8D6lAE97gCfZUTt7OYzhq5cNEDtiSpw9OTrPtg= =fMNB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --v9Ux+11Zm5mwPlX6--