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From: William Hubbs <williamh@gentoo.org>
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting
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On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 11:28:50AM +0200, Lars Wendler wrote:
> Hi,
>=20
> On Sun, 07 Jul 2019 23:00:01 +0200 Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote:
>=20

*snip*

> >My second agenda item is: removing posting restrictions from gentoo-dev
> >mailing list.
> >
> >I was on the Council that made those changes, and from retrospective I
> >believe the decision to be a mistake.  It was made to workaround
> >a problem with inefficiency of ComRel, and we should have focused
> >on fixing ComRel instead.  I don't believe it serves its purpose well
> >and IMO it causes more problems than it solves.

*snip*

> I fully support this request.
> This was the utter worst decision being done by council I've ever had
> the misfortune to be a witness of and I hope our new council will try
> to never top this kind of bad decisions.

I was on the council that made this decision as well, and I feel that it
should never have passed because it comes dangerously close to violating
our social contract. Some disagree because everything is still read
only, but I'm still not comfortable with it.

=46rom my POV, there is not really anything to discuss. The post
restriction should be removed immediately.

William

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