From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C494D138334 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2019 16:19:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 682A3E08D9; Fri, 12 Apr 2019 16:19:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pf1-x42a.google.com (mail-pf1-x42a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::42a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E116E08BF for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2019 16:19:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pf1-x42a.google.com with SMTP id c8so5371166pfd.10 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2019 09:19:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=1csTLbKtrXqjykLGSVT2n+PI9bf9TDCxP/xASW2KdlE=; b=Q3LURDnjoHmBiL6v1M6zy22QradYIIbPE69T89lfe3y7BjQj+A2T3wF8fEHoTQyaKg vm+XkSAOYI4i42z2RszVQTw7fpAmCVPt0ZFu18dVYEyj+7kfknz5E5Pd4exhWNF6X/Ls J08+0gILF3x+WoBLX26OnNk0TdFU6vnpGV34Xw2Dt/w4WOhnv8qnqkuBWcuDvfTvGRcd 4w7ixR64S+Xd6Ek2bn8hlOwRrEunlihU9bW1YMMcQkxACAO3PaqNbE098ggCPLNxLedq AR3uISvdpNenWlZ27DMeWJ/ZksHxEmhxapAxnbh70GWQneeFKigzKUJeDwvXjpTZ9XjU Sszg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=1csTLbKtrXqjykLGSVT2n+PI9bf9TDCxP/xASW2KdlE=; b=huKUBM9Nhmi0GRk8wl5m4c4cBlK2S4Q9H6E0jdlIOjQhFBF2HN+/+/XS82ZzK8hRko nxY7TdJMfEx62KGf39iya2RCpEQSHR3RhLnHhzD5vEc/QNiamgRTo7vKg/+QdVTfAgIU ZuWSXGzyz4B4+z11OJZJI1FdNCEka11azWBZrOtIJiGtKI/t59VmVIfcWwmzVPva6wYU Vr0h8kbctxBPwzb25Gn+j1jLNb7LYIuKwZbDSsszqyWtsOb9niM4gVc6UeqSoZil73Wp NA2+55FdFUZm2279QJFg3N1LWWedK9KgCrxMX7FN8VrX08aSgZQ/sVfpYpuZL4IVDr+c 4oIQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAU8ABU847IN+eq2ozGu9XV/DXQBBskt9U9OuYH3M6BkkcvvFx1S EvA+3ITnESj2F0fBFn366uAhsrm8 X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqywv18RKGeXeBwQD0oQFoy7s29gfYLAbq3OIOebJZtktfqePCarHvtm9RRglJAnZy8t7A3jEA== X-Received: by 2002:a63:f809:: with SMTP id n9mr54840312pgh.201.1555085989469; Fri, 12 Apr 2019 09:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whubbs1.gaikai.biz ([100.42.103.5]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l1sm47477431pgp.9.2019.04.12.09.19.47 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 12 Apr 2019 09:19:48 -0700 (PDT) Sender: William Hubbs Received: (nullmailer pid 14221 invoked by uid 1000); Fri, 12 Apr 2019 16:19:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 11:19:46 -0500 From: William Hubbs To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org, qa@gentoo.org, =?utf-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBHw7Nybnk=?= Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] [PATCH] glep-0048: Provide clear rules for disciplinary actions Message-ID: <20190412161946.GB14134@whubbs1.dev.av1.gaikai.org> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org, qa@gentoo.org, =?utf-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBHw7Nybnk=?= References: <20190412144043.5010-1-mgorny@gentoo.org> <20190412161039.GA14134@whubbs1.dev.av1.gaikai.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20190412161039.GA14134@whubbs1.dev.av1.gaikai.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Archives-Salt: fada1dad-e1b4-4ef1-909f-f7b8b273ba96 X-Archives-Hash: aca2ba80177e741c445d375a541f370b --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 11:10:39AM -0500, William Hubbs wrote: > On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 04:40:43PM +0200, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > > Update the wording of GLEP 48 to provide clear information on what kind > > of disciplinary actions QA can issue, and in what circumstances they can > > be exercised. Remove the unclear reference to ComRel that is either > > meaningless or violation of scope. > >=20 > > According to the old wording, QA could request 're-evaluating commit > > rights' from ComRel. This is very unclear, and has been a source of > > confusion more than once. Firstly, it is unclear whether ComRel merely > > serves as a body executing the QA team's decision, or whether it is > > supposed to make independent judgment (which would be outside its > > scope). Secondly, it suggests that the only disciplinary action > > possible would be 're-evaluating commits rights' which sounds like > > an euphemism for removing commit access permanently. > >=20 > > The new wording aims to make things clear, and make QA disciplinary > > actions independent of ComRel. Explanation for the individual points > > follow. >=20 > I would support this because in the very earliest days of the qa team, > qa actions were independent of ComRel. >=20 > I have no specific comrel action that I have issues with, but QA actions > should be independent of ComRel. If there are any reasons to belive that > the qa team abuses this, that would be a point where ComRel or the > council could get involved. There are things I would definitely change about the past though. In the past, the qa lead was the one who could go directly to infrastructure on his own and ask for people to be blocked. I think the only way this should happen is after a majority vote on the qa team. Also, this definitely should not be the first step the qa team takes. 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